why creek nation casinos are terrible (okla)

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hopefully i don't come off as too anal in this post, but these things kind of bug me. today i went to creek nation casino in okmulgee (30 min south of tulsa) with some friends to play some poker. we show up and the only game going is 1-2 nl so we all sit at the same table. i have only played no limit one time in my life at cherokee. i played 2-5 nl for 30 minutes while waiting on a limit seat to open up so i don't know very much about the game. i'm just there trying to have some fun and gambool it up.

the first hand of the table i pick up AA and raise it to eight total. the dealer looks and me and says "next time announce raise, or it's just a call." i look at her kind of puzzled and tell her it wasn't a string bet and i had all the chips i was raising with in my hand and she tells me she knows, but i have to announce "raise".

i don't pick up any hands for a while and i am in the small blind. for some reason when i bought in they decide to give me all red chips and no white. at this point i only have one white chip and it's in the pot. there are a few limpers and it's up to me. i pull back the white chip with my right hand. put it next to my chips and throw out a red. the dealers says "raise". i definately didn't want to raise and told her i didn't announce raise. she then tells me that if i don't say i'm just calling, it's an automatic raise. keep in mind this is the exact same dealer that said if i don't announce raise, it's just a call.

my last hand of the night i'm on the button and catch JJ. there are a few limpers and i reach for seven white chips. i am holding the stack in my hand and kind of cut the chips in half to a stack of three and a stack of four. i drop the three first then the four, all in one motion. the dealer looks at me and says "next time you put your chips in like that your bet can only be three". i didn't really pay attention since it was my last hand anyway and just said okay. the guy to my right told the dealer it wasn't a string bet and then another guy chimed in saying it wasn't a string bet. the dealer then told us it was his game and he will run it like he wants to. the flop was AKx so i folded my cards out of turn and left.

the place is so unprofessional it's unreal. we went through probably five dealers and only one of them was competent. when a three flush would flop the dealers would say "oh who's got the flush draw" or something along those lines. there was another hand where a guy bet 50 on the river when it was heads up. the guy went all in for like 10 more and the original bettor was bluffing. the dealer was agging him on to call saying "come on it's only ten more you've gotta call come on".

another thing that really bothers me about the place is the way the dealers were trained. i'm a trained poker dealer and dealt for about six months. the techniques these dealers use are terrible. they cut the deck with two hands. they give the one seat their card by using their thumb and kind of knocking the card off the top of the deck etc. and the floor are all very incompetent.

this poker room has only been open for about six months but please don't play at the creek casinos if you don't have to.

It's really hard to say that all Creek Casino's are the same. I wish the Casino that I worked at now was half as nice as Creek in Tulsa. It is by far the nicest and most well run Poker Room in the state.

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I still haven't heard anything good about the casinos out your way. I would never step foot in this joint again and probably write a long letter to upper management about the incompetence of their staff.

Btw, for 1/2 NL, most places just give you red as the dealer usually has white at the table. The only time I see white given out is when they are first opening a game or if someone requests it.

On a side note, the IP here in Vegas wouldn't allow me to buy any white at the counter. They told me you are only allowed to bring red to a 1/2 NL table. WTF is that crap? It's 1/2 and if I want 20 in white, just give it to me, don't bust my balls.

[lighterjobs]

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It's really hard to say that all Creek Casino's are the same. I wish the Casino that I worked at now was half as nice as Creek in Tulsa. It is by far the nicest and most well run Poker Room in the state.

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i really don't think the room in tulsa is nicer than cherokee.

The quality of the staff, games etc. may be debateable. But the room at Creek makes cherokees look like a dump. Their was as much money spent on that 11 table room as Cherokee spent on it's 30.

I deal at creek nation Tulsa and I am just wondering if you have had any problems at the casino in tulsa or if this incident was isolated to the one in okmulgee? Even though the casinos are both owned by the tribe they run their poker room alot different than we do. In my opinon we have many good dealers at the casino in Tulsa some that have been dealing for several years. The mechanics you talk about are very poor and are not common at the creek nation I work at and as far as the raise and calling things you talked about that is just plain wrong I would have been upset about that as a player too. I would talk to their management about the dealer errors and unprofessionalism and see if it can't be corrected in the future. I would love to hear your feedback on the creek casino in tulsa as well be it negative or positve, that way I can pass the word along on things we can try and improve. Just remember that just because the name is the same our poker room is in no way related to the one in okmulgee, totally different management and everything all I know about theirs is their dealers have to deal both blackjack and poker, where all our dealers were trained specifically for poker or had previous poker dealing experience.

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I deal at creek nation Tulsa...

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I know there are other 2+2'ers who deal. I've noticed their, and yours btw, are usually polite, knowledgable and to the point. I appreciate that.

What I've occasionally wondered is, how many floor managers, pit bosses, etc., post or lurk? And how much of what they read, if any, gets back to their casino management. Does it ever do any good?

Also, I've wondered what the effect would be of complaints posted here being forwarded to casinos by "we the posters of 2+2." Would a small avalanche of e-mails about casino X cause casino X GM to look into the situation? Possibly make a change in a bad situation?

Maybe we should organize. Start our own little advocacy group.

Become a force to be reckoned with. Branch out into other areas. Fighting for the good cause. OK, I got a tad carried away there.

[lighterjobs]

i, personally, haven't really had any bad experiences at creek in tulsa when it comes to the poker room. the dealers all seem very competent, and much better than the casino in okmulgee. this was mostly directed towards the okmulgee casino.

[lighterjobs]

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The quality of the staff, games etc. may be debateable. But the room at Creek makes cherokees look like a dump. Their was as much money spent on that 11 table room as Cherokee spent on it's 30.

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i definately shouldn't have said cherokee is nicer than creek. cherokee just has better games so i prefer it out there. the creek room is much nicer. though they could get some chips that don't look like they bought at walmart and got hotstamped.

We got our regular 1 dollar chips back. The reason we had those terrible ones were because the 1 dollar chips looked similar to the 100 dollar ones and they had some problems with getting them mixed up so all of the ones got pulled till they could get new 100 dollar chips which they did about a month ago. Thanks for your replies, anymore feedback is always welcom thanks