AQs OOP

me454555 · #1 11-06-2005, 06:59 PM

Party Poker 3.00/6.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 folds, Button raises, 1 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 folds, Button calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (4.67 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

I checked here b/c I wanted to see the river as cheaply as possible. I didn't think the J gave me any extra folding equity so I expected that was almost certainly getting called an possibly raised. Is check folding the right play here?

River: (6.67 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.67 BB.

Stefan_K · #2 11-06-2005, 08:00 PM

bet/folding is the right

me454555 · #3 11-06-2005, 08:05 PM

Once i bet and get raised there, I'm getting 7.6:1 on my call. I can expect to make 1 extra BB on the river if I hit my hand giving me implied odds of 8.6:1. If thats true I only need 5.5 outs to be clean. My 4 gut outs are clean and I think my ace outs are clean enough to make this call right?

Stefan_K · #4 11-06-2005, 08:12 PM

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Once i bet and get raised there, I'm getting 7.6:1 on my call. I can expect to make 1 extra BB on the river if I hit my hand giving me implied odds of 8.6:1. If thats true I only need 5.5 outs to be clean. My 4 gut outs are clean and I think my ace outs are clean enough to make this call right?

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sounds right, embaresing to say but i don't use odds, i would really need that. then i would sugest bet/call i don't whant to give away this pot before he has showed any aggr

slik · #5 11-06-2005, 09:02 PM

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Once i bet and get raised there, I'm getting 7.6:1 on my call. I can expect to make 1 extra BB on the river if I hit my hand giving me implied odds of 8.6:1. If thats true I only need 5.5 outs to be clean. My 4 gut outs are clean and I think my ace outs are clean enough to make this call right?

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if he has a K, you are drawing to 3 aces and 4 to your gut shot. you can't really check/call because of pot odds. i think you have good folding equity and should almost always followthrough with a bet on the turn. bet/fold the turn and most likely check fold the river UI. again this is is read dependent, but i hate check calling the turn unless he is an aggressive player that you want to get to showdown against.

mperich · #6 11-06-2005, 09:23 PM

Hmmm. Tough spot here. I probably check/fold the turn, theres just too many broadways and he called on a pretty dry flop. If you check call the turn you dont really have odds to hit your outs, so you have to be calling because you think you are good. If this is the case, then you must call the river. Check/call->check fold makes no sense. I either bet-call, check-fold or if I lead again and am smoothcalled I think check folding the river is usually best, altho check calling probably isnt too big of a mistake.

-Mike

Drontier · #7 11-06-2005, 09:43 PM

i use your line all the time. i think its perfect. i don't see much fold equity against better hands on your turn bet.

me454555 · #8 11-06-2005, 11:56 PM

I think its a close call on the turn given the outs that I have and the chance that I thought I could be ahead some small % of the time. Once he bets the river though, I doubt I'm ahead anymore

ArturiusX · #9 11-07-2005, 02:38 AM

Bet fold the turn. I like our outs, I'm not entirely convinced he has a K. We have folding equity vs most hands, but if he calls we can check/fold UI easily.

I really can't see any other play for this turn.

StellarWind · #10 11-07-2005, 02:39 AM

A big advantage of betting the turn is that you may fold a small pocket pair. This really depends on your opponent and your image, but it is pretty hard to justify calling the turn with a small pocket once the jack hits. He's pretty much playing you for your actual hand and even then he's up against ten outs.

Betting also avoids giving a free card to a worse ace. For example, A8 has 3 outs to win and 10 more to chop. You'd really like to fold him out and at least he should be made to pay.

If the turn is raised you should call at 7.5-1 because you probably have the outs and you may also catch a hand like AT taking a free showdown. Checkfold the river unless you catch at least a queen.

If he just calls the turn you'll have to decide about the river after you see it. Usually I would checkcall but an ugly card like 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] probably means you should give up. You should also probably checkfold instead of calling for half the pot if your queen gets vanquished.