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Old 10-14-2005, 08:48 PM
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First lets suppose that God does exist. Next lets suppose that God is all good. I happen to believe both the above. If these two statements are true then I don't believe that hell exists. At least not an eternal hell. How could a loving, forgiving god, allow for someone to suffer in hell?

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Old 10-14-2005, 09:16 PM
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Um, why dont you read your Bible and come back to me on that one
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Old 10-14-2005, 09:19 PM
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Lets not fall back on the bible...
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Old 10-15-2005, 10:54 AM
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Lets not fall back on the bible...

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Please define "God" without using the Bible.
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Old 10-25-2005, 02:41 AM
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Lets not fall back on the bible...

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Please define "God" without using the Bible.

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You make it sound like the Bible is the only scripture in the world.
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Old 10-14-2005, 09:25 PM
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First lets suppose that God does exist. Next lets suppose that God is all good. I happen to believe both the above. If these two statements are true then I don't believe that hell exists. At least not an eternal hell. How could a loving, forgiving god, allow for someone to suffer in hell?

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The supposed paradox arises from the fact that _you_ are attempting to say what is good having, in your premises, stated that God exists and He is all good. If He creates hell then that simply means that according to God's "morality" hell is not bad. You may think it is bad but it is not by your premises.

That is what faith is all about. Believing something even if irrational or seeming incomprhensible. Once you believe God can do nothing but good you have to accept all he does is good even if you don't like it.
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Old 10-14-2005, 09:32 PM
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If Hell does exist then I believe God is not all good.
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Old 10-14-2005, 11:14 PM
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If Hell does exist then I believe God is not all good.

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That's right. No rational person who has your (and mine)sense of right and wrong can believe in a good god who creates hell (infinite punishment).

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Old 10-20-2005, 12:21 AM
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That's right. No rational person who has your (and mine)sense of right and wrong can believe in a good god who creates hell (infinite punishment).


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Why not? I see this issue (omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god + hell = seemingly incompatible set) as simply an extension of the problem of evil (omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god + world with evil = seemingly incompatible set). But, it seems like to deal with one is to deal with the other. Nameley, it all comes down to free will. The good inherent in free will trumps the good that comes from an all-loving deterministic world free from sin and evil (and hell). And on a different but still interesting note if you believe in angels (and since we're talking about heaven, hell and god, belief in angels isn't too much of a stretch here) then if God can give humans free will to commit evils than why not give angels free will to commit evils or hell or hells. God can still maintain omnibenevolence due to the intrinsic and untrumpable value of free will.
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Old 10-14-2005, 09:32 PM
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First lets suppose that God does exist. Next lets suppose that God is all good. I happen to believe both the above.

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What evidence do you have that a supreme creator must be all "good"? Certainly his creations may give one pause.
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