worst hand ever

sthief09 · #1 11-21-2005, 08:12 PM

both opponents are TAGgy with PFR's over 20 (played this a few days ago but i think both were around 35/22 or so)

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises, CO 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP caps, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.66 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, CO raises, Hero calls, MP 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls, MP calls.

Turn: (12.33 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks.

River: (12.33 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP calls, CO raises, Hero folds

wheelz · #2 11-21-2005, 08:15 PM

i'd just like to know if preflop is your standard play.

sthief09 · #3 11-21-2005, 08:16 PM

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i'd just like to know if preflop is your standard play.

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id cold call 2 on the button after a light raise and a call so i figure i can call 2 more here since i have worse position but better pot odds (granted not much better since i will sometimes have to call 4 bets total, while on the button i will less often have to call 3 total)

Monty Cantsin · #4 11-21-2005, 08:26 PM

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id cold call 2 on the button after a light raise and a call so i figure i can call 2 more here since i have worse position but better pot odds

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I don't think this logic works so good because it looks at pot odds and position but ignores information about the strength of hands you are against.

/mc

Michael Davis · #5 11-21-2005, 09:26 PM

"id cold call 2 on the button after a light raise and a call so i figure i can call 2 more here since i have worse position but better pot odds (granted not much better since i will sometimes have to call 4 bets total, while on the button i will less often have to call 3 total)"

Maybe you're right that position and pot odds cancel out, but I doubt it here, especially since you're right, that you will be facing a cap more often.

Anyways, I really hesitate to post this, because I can't imagine you overlooked such a crucial piece of information, but the fact that a threebet is much stronger than an openraise makes this a pretty clear preflop fold, IMO. Even guys with 22 PFR aren't getting out of hand with threebetting, es pecially when we're not even dealing with a button, small blind situation.

-Michael

Monty Cantsin · #6 11-22-2005, 02:26 AM

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Anyways, I really hesitate to post this, because I can't imagine you overlooked such a crucial piece of information, but the fact that a threebet is much stronger than an openraise makes this a pretty clear preflop fold, IMO.

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The post where I tried to make this same point must have been really unclear.

/mc

Michael Davis · #7 11-22-2005, 03:02 AM

"The post where I tried to make this same point must have been really unclear."

Sorry, I apologize for ripping off your expert advice. I am also sorry but not apologetic that you are a huge douchebag.

-Michael

bobbyi · #8 11-21-2005, 10:47 PM

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id cold call 2 on the button after a light raise and a call

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I don't think that situation is similar to this one at all. I think that this call is really bad.

aba20 · #9 11-21-2005, 08:15 PM

Yuck. This is a horribly played hand. Fold preflop, turn ok, river you gotta call here with the fourth nuts, getting over 16-1.

wheelz · #10 11-21-2005, 08:16 PM

why do you gotta?