fairly simple 20-40 hand

[Victor]

villain is 20/10/1.2 over 200

villain opens in the hijack i 3bet 99 in the sb, bb and villain call.

flop is 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

bet, bb folds, call.

turn is 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

i bet, villain raises.....

gimme a line.

I call down. At 1.2 aggression, he'll still make moves. His raise may mean he has a T or it may mean that the turn T means he doesn't believe you have a T and thinks his overcards or lower pockets are good.

[Drontier]

yea...fairly easy call down i think.

[sthief09]

very unlikely he doesnt cap preflop with a better hand. very unlikely he just calls the flop with a T. not that likely he raises 33/22 in the hijack. you have the best hand almost always. 3-bet. i dont know what hes raising with but id rather get the money in than try to hope he bluffs the river. he might have AQ or something and decide he wants to look you up. he might fold 6 outs on the spot but fold to a river bet if you call, or check behind the river if you call. i dont think its an easy 3-bet despite being almost positive you are good here just becuase theres not a whole lot of value in it. but its better than calling when you know you are best

i take ti back. i didnt see he was 20/12/1.2. i call down

[StellarWind]

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very unlikely he just calls the flop with a T.

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Because? I sometimes call this flop with a ten intending to raise the turn.

More importantly, Villain did call the flop and he has to have something. There is no obvious reason why KT is raising the flop while 88 is raising the turn instead. The relative probabilities of a ten or pocket pair don't seem to have changed much from preflop:

AT: 8
KT: 8
QTs: 2
JTs: 2

88-66: 18

That's 20-18 in favor of the ten. Obviously you can adjust his starting standards a little but it should always come out about 50-50. We can also consider:

Flush draw AJ/KQ/KJ/QJ: 4

Clearly these aren't worth face value. Maybe I'll call them 2 and make it an exact 20-20 tie.

I think most posters are too optimistic. Your pot equity looks about 50% here. Further aggression is good if you can comfortably fold to another raise. Personally that idea doesn't thrill me. Further aggression is bad if he finds the fold with an underpair. That sounds like some posters I know with stats similar to Villain's.

I call this down but it's a close choice. You could reconsider after you see the river. Bet-folding could work if you caught something to represent, like an ace.

[d10]

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very unlikely he just calls the flop with a T.

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Because? I sometimes call this flop with a ten intending to raise the turn.

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What's your line when the turn brings another overcard?

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More importantly, Villain did call the flop and he has to have something. There is no obvious reason why KT is raising the flop while 88 is raising the turn instead.

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I think there is. 88 may be planning on calling down, or raising a safe turn. Another T is about the safest card 88 could see. However I'm always raising a T on the flop here.

[StellarWind]

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Because? I sometimes call this flop with a ten intending to raise the turn.

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What's your line when the turn brings another overcard?

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You mean the first overcard?

I do whatever makes me happy depending on the exact situation:

1. Scream "damn the torpedos" and raise anyway.

2. Pat myself on the back for my good timimg in not raising the flop and then quietly call down or maybe peel and fold the river.

I'm certainly not going to kick myself about just calling the flop after a vomitrocious turn hits. Raising the flop and having an ace hit your KT is the worst feeling in the world.

[PokerBob]

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villain is 20/10/1.2 over 200

villain opens in the hijack i 3bet 99 in the sb, bb and villain call.

flop is 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

bet, bb folds, call.

turn is 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

i bet, villain raises.....

gimme a line.

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he is not aggressive. he pops you. yuck. i think i call down. but part of me wants to 3-bet/fold.

[Alobar]

eff that, I 3 bet, he doesnt have a ten or any hand that beats you, and if he does, yay for him, it either costs me the same as calling down, or at most 1 more BB and I think something like 77 that you dont want to fold, would have raised the flop, and the pot is big enough you want him to fold his KJ or whatever. and even if its like Ax that only has 3 outs, I still dont mind him folding because I dont think he puts in a river bet often enough.

[Victor]

hey guys i effed up. this is a fulltable hand and those stats are fulltable.

josh you can move it if you want.