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Old 12-09-2005, 03:37 AM
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Default Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?

I really can't condone what Tuki did (deathrow inmate who is scheduled to get excuted in 4 days and change for the murder of 4 people 25 years ago and founder of the crips gang) but has he done enough for society to spare his life? [ QUOTE ]


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Old 12-09-2005, 03:46 AM
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I think he should spend the rest of his life in jail. He is a big advocate for anti-gang groups, so I think he has done his part in convincing society he should live. But in no way should he ever get out.
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Old 12-09-2005, 03:47 AM
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People may argue that he has done enough to live, but he did start the Crips, which looking at the carnage they have left in their wake, outweighs whatever good Tookie has done. And oh yeah, he murdered those people. Just my opinion.
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Old 12-09-2005, 04:41 AM
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Default Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?

You poll is misleading. The question is "clemency?" but the possible responses are "yes, he deserves the death penalty" or "no, he deserves to live." Fix the wording.

Usually I am sympathetic to a reformed criminal, but his crimes were so heinous (not to mention that he hasn't confessed guilt) that nothing less than death is acceptable here.
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:11 AM
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Default Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?

I haven't done any of my own research, but I have heard a fair amount about this.

First, I think he'd do far more good for this world and this country alive than dead. Killing him does nothing more than allow the families of the victims to get revenge for what he allegedly did.

Also, I hear often how he hasn't "confessed guilt" or "expressed regret" for what he's been convicted of. Is it certain that he was guilty of those particular crimes? I've also heard that he has confessed to other crimes, or other activities. Doesn't this give at least a little merit to the idea that he may not have been guilty of those specific murders?

If that's not enough for you, or if he truly is guilty, ask yourself what he'd be saying if he really were innocent and on his path towards execution.

Is there a way to grant him clemency so long as he continues his work with preventing gang violence? If so, I think that is by far the best option here, but that allowing him to live regardless of any qualifiers is better than killing him.

Then again, I oppose the death penalty in almost every, if not every, case.
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Old 12-09-2005, 06:09 AM
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Default Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?

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Also, I hear often how he hasn't "confessed guilt" or "expressed regret" for what he's been convicted of. Is it certain that he was guilty of those particular crimes?

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He was sentenced to death for those crimes. 12 people somewhere were pretty certain having heard the facts.
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Old 12-09-2005, 07:27 AM
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Default Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?

The jury decided.
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:38 AM
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Default Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?

Not only that, but in the 26 intervening years, no exculpatory evidence has emerged.
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Old 12-09-2005, 11:42 AM
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Default Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?

I think he should not be executed. Not so much because of whatever good he has done since, but because I don't think the death penalty should be applied to his crimes.

I also think the notion of execution as a fitting "punishment", generally speaking, is flawed and barbaric.

Also, he pretty clearly is not a threat to do that sort of thing again.
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Old 12-09-2005, 11:47 AM
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Default Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?

Seperating your opinion on the death penalty, does a person actions in prison really have any bearing on wether the jury was competent in deciding punishment.
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