Ed Miller's complete with any two suited at 10/20?

[IGMorton]

Do you guys think Miller's suggestion to complete with any 2 suited from the SB makes sense at 10/20 6-max with the increased general agression? I'm more likely to be raised by the BB or facing slow play. I don't get as many cheap turn / river cards for flush draws as the passives he describes in SSHE would give me.

i'm currently treating the better offsuit connectors with nearly as much respect as junk suited hands. Ed doesn't recommend playing hands like 98o at all. i know a flush draw flops a bit more often than a strait draw. But, straits often pay better since they are less obvious to observant opponenets.

How does this look?

After 2 limpers, complete with:
A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J9s+, 54s+, 86s+
A9o, A8o, any offsuit broadway

After 3 limpers, add:
any 2 suited
T9o, 98o, J9o, T8o

After 4 limpers, add:
54o-87o, 97o, 86o

[baronzeus]

after 1 limper i complete with almost any 2 suited. after 2 limpers i complete with any 2 suited.

[IGMorton]

how many limpers do you want to play a hand like 98o? 65o?

[Jingleheimer]

How does this change for you in a 1/3 blind structure?

You have to tighten up in the 1/3 structure because:
1) its cheaper for each orbit around the table (smaller blinds)
2) its more expensive to complete, call, or raise.

[Megenoita]

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after 1 limper i complete with almost any 2 suited. after 2 limpers i complete with any 2 suited.

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I never saw this thread but would really like to know how it works out for you to complete with any 2 suited when there is 1 limper. I'm not getting how you get paid off with this.

The math is straightforward. Holding two suited cards, the odds of flopping a flush draw or made flush are about 7.5:1 against. Thus, on a 1/2 blind structure, to complete from the SB, you need 3 limpers and a non-raising BB to make the completion EV neutral.

If you have less than 3 limpers, you need to make up for your flush draw deficiciency with highcard strength (e.g., A2s, K9s), or connectedness strength (e.g., 78s). Of these two factors, highcard strength is more important.

Also, as I mentioned, the presence of a LAGgy BB to your left argues strongly for not completing. This is probably the single most important factor preflop when deciding whether or not to complete. The next most important factor is whether you have 3 limpers (easy odds), 2 limpers (marginal odds), or only 1 limper (crap odds).

The last factor to consider when deciding whether to limp is the overall aggressiveness of the table. On passive tables, limping is better since playing the draw OOP will be less problematic. OTOH, on an aggro table that has uncharacteristically gone passive preflop, limping is more dangerous, because these monkeys could light it up postflop, making your non-nut flush draw tricky and painful to play.

In shorthanded games is having your flush draw be non-nut really that much of a concern usually?

[TStoneMBD]

youre too tight against 1 and 2 limpers

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youre too tight against 1 and 2 limpers

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Please elaborate.