Instance for slowplaying

chris_a · #1 04-20-2005, 11:06 AM

Party 1/2
I'm UTG and I raise first in with KQs
Fold, fold, fold, Cold Call from MP (ok player)
Fold, fold, fold, BB completes. (good player)

Both of these players I had gotten into altercations with on previous hands.

Flop KQQ.

1) Smallish pot.
2) Free card will probably give someone second best hand.
3) I have very little chance of being outdrawn.

Slowplay?? Looks like it.
What do I do? BET
Why? Because my image was kind of loose and I had been raising a lot before. I thought that there was no way these guys are goign to muck to me.

fold fold.

[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

benkath1 · #2 04-20-2005, 11:10 AM

hmmm. I would bet the flop too, but I'm not too sure I would raise utg with KQs. Am I way off here?

Ben

UncleSalty · #3 04-20-2005, 11:12 AM

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Am I way off here?

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Yep.

Edit: To clarify, table reads are important here, but on a good loose-passive table I raise KQs from every position. Good high card strength, connectedness, suitedness. It plays well against lots of opponents or few unless dominated.

benkath1 · #4 04-20-2005, 11:19 AM

Thanks for the edit. I was begining to wonder. Ran and grabbed sshe, checked the chart. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Came back and hit refresh and there's the explanation.

Much better.

benkath1 · #5 04-20-2005, 11:42 AM

thanks for the tip.

(don't mean to hijack)

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, MP2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

Turn: (8.10 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (8.10 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: 8.10 BB

MHIG against a K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

bottomset · #6 04-20-2005, 12:04 PM

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thanks for the tip.

(don't mean to hijack)

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, MP2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

Turn: (8.10 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (8.10 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: 8.10 BB

MHIG against a K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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I really hope you knew the button was a donk before doing that, or this is serious chip spewage

as for the original hand tough luck it happens

benkath1 · #7 04-20-2005, 12:21 PM

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I really hope you knew the button was a donk before doing that, or this is serious chip spewage

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Donk and short stacked.

UncleSalty · #8 04-20-2005, 12:05 PM

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thanks for the tip.

(don't mean to hijack)

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, MP2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

Turn: (8.10 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (8.10 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: 8.10 BB

MHIG against a K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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I'm assuming you played this way because he was short-stacked and went all in to your flop cap, right?

benkath1 · #9 04-20-2005, 12:19 PM

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I'm assuming you played this way because he was short-stacked and went all in to your flop cap, right?

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Yes.

crownjules · #10 04-20-2005, 12:08 PM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, MP2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

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Capping with KQs is interesting. Button may think you're on a blind steal attempt, but he could have a better hand. In most situations, unless I read him as a LAG, I think I'd just call the 3-bet. You could be dominated (AK, AQ) or just plain behind (AA, KK).