Couple of Basic WA/WB Hands

arsixsixwy · #1 08-03-2005, 02:59 AM

Way Ahead/Way Behind is a concept I've learned only recently. In Hand 1, I believe I misapplied it (i.e. after it got heads up, I think I should've switched to a WA/WB line) and in Hand 2, I folded to a raise after (I think) properly applying WA/WB.

I'd like comments on all streets. Thanks.

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Hand 1

I don't have much of a read on MP2 except that he appears to be a fairly standard calling station. I think I should've switched to a WA/WB line on the turn -- that is, check/call the turn then bet the river.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero raises, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (12 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: (7 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

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Hand 2

Villain is a very decent player. Generally raises solid hands and is appropriately aggressive. I've never seen him do anything too crazy (or, if I did, I didn't take a note on it). Is folding the river here okay?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

macdaddy991 · #2 08-03-2005, 03:54 AM

Since you are OOP and you think that you are WA/WB( not sure if this is the best example) then the correct line would be check call, check call, bet

magates · #3 08-03-2005, 04:03 AM

Are you supposed to bet and fold to a raise on the river following this line? If so, I'm a little confused about the c/c, c/c, bet wa/wb line. If you're going to bet the river and fold to a raise, why wouldn't you just check/call and see a showdown for the same price?

macdaddy991 · #4 08-03-2005, 04:06 AM

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Are you supposed to bet and fold to a raise on the river following this line? If so, I'm a little confused about the c/c, c/c, bet wa/wb line. If you're going to bet the river and fold to a raise, why wouldn't you just check/call and see a showdown for the same price?

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aK13 · #5 08-03-2005, 04:11 AM

#1 is not WA/WB. You are very likely to be ahead.

#2 I fold preflop. The rest looks ok.

MrEngenic · #6 08-03-2005, 04:14 AM

I like both hands. Hand one is not WA/WB because he could have overcards to your pair with 6 outs. You should bet the turn if he has overcards to your pair. Easy fold when raised with your read.

Hand 2 is good also. Calling or folding the river is very read dependent. If he recognizes your line he could raise with a lower pocket to make you fold a better hand. Call the first time against an unknown.

MrEngenic · #7 08-03-2005, 04:20 AM

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#2 I fold preflop. The rest looks ok.

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Huh? Fold preflop, are you nuts?

magates · #8 08-03-2005, 04:23 AM

Thanks for the link!

I'm still a little confused about this line when heads up though.

You bet on the river, and if you're ahead he's going to call rather than raise, if you're behind, he's going to raise and you're going to fold (assuming he won't raise with a worse hand, in which case you lose a whole pot). If you're ahead and you check, he might check as well, costing you one BB. Is the one BB you'll lose if you both check on the river really worth losing the whole pot to either a) a LAG, or b) someone who recognized the wa/wb line you took and countered it?

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aK13 · #9 08-03-2005, 04:23 AM

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#2 I fold preflop. The rest looks ok.

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Huh? Fold preflop, are you nuts?

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A8s is usually my cutoff for limping.

I want more limpers to limp A6s. I'd much rather limp something like 86s here.

MrEngenic · #10 08-03-2005, 05:06 AM

A6s on CO after two MP limpers will be a profitable hand on 0.5/1 full. Do you fold A6s on CO shorthanded with two limpers as well? I would rather raise than fold.