TT - Textbook SSHE, Right?

arsixsixwy · #1 07-24-2005, 07:28 PM

Only read I had was on MP1 -- he had check/raised a suited flop with top pair (ace) and a jack-high flush draw. Not especially helpful in this hand, I don't think.

Comments on all streets appreciated. Thanks, guys!

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, MP1 calls, CO calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

SoftcoreRevolt · #2 07-24-2005, 07:30 PM

Raise the flop. Waiting for the turn is pointless as the only draw that might fold is 36 or something unlikely.

kapw7 · #3 07-24-2005, 07:31 PM

Does SSHE say not to raise the flop?

Redd · #4 07-24-2005, 07:31 PM

I'd raise the flop. You've got an overpair and a huge equity edge, so I'd push it's value while it's still an overpair.

arsixsixwy · #5 07-24-2005, 07:36 PM

With most of the field already committing themselves to one bet, I'm not folding any of them by raising. Yes, a raise would probably be for value but with two hearts on the board, a somewhat coordinated flop for a wheel, and a bunch of overcards that could ruin my hand mean I will likely have a much bigger edge on the turn when a blank comes. Although a blank did not come, it was checked to me.

Anybody think I can fold on the river?

Redd · #6 07-24-2005, 07:39 PM

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Although a blank did not come, it was checked to me.

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This is why it cost us money to wait until the turn. There is a bit of protection value too, since you can get rid of one player. I'm less worried about flush/straight draws and more worried about people calling and hitting with overcards. Like in SSHE's "Two overpair hands," it's much better to wait with a less vulnerable hand like AA than TT.

Without reads, I think the river's a good call. This could be a bluff 1 time in 13.

POKhER · #7 07-24-2005, 07:42 PM

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This could be a bluff 1 time in 13.

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whats the 1 In 13 mean? Explain please i dont get where these numbers come from?

Thanks.
p.s. As said, Bet the flop.

arsixsixwy · #8 07-24-2005, 07:45 PM

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Like in SSHE's "Two overpair hands," it's much better to wait with a less vulnerable hand like AA than TT.

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Umm.. Go back and read that section again. You have it backwards.

Bradyams · #9 07-24-2005, 07:46 PM

I don't mind it. Like in the example in SSH there are a lot of cards you don't want to see on the turn...any [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9, J, Q, K or A. It may be better to wait for a safe turn where our equity jumps up quite a bit, and then raise.

Of course that turn card ins't what you were looking for, but the actions indicate no kings are out there, so that's an easy bet.

River card sucks, and so does CO waking up all of a sudden, but I'd call this as well.

arsixsixwy · #10 07-24-2005, 07:46 PM

The pot is about 13 BB large and I have to call 1 BB. If I win the hand at least once out of every 14 times (not 13, that's a mistake by the original poster) I encounter this situation, it's not a -EV play.

Hope this helps.