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11-16-2005, 01:23 PM
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10-20 NLH -- Pot control v. value
4 handed. I have $2300. Villain has me covered. I would describe Villain as relatively conservative. He is capable of bluffs and trickiness, but more often than not, his bets mean what they appear to mean. Villain probably views me as TAG. I haven't played many hands, but he has seen me put in a big reraise against another very good LAG at the table.
Preflop Folded to me on the Button. I raise to $70 with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Villain calls in the BB. Flop A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Villain bets $125. I call. Turn Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Check Check Am I missing too much value by trying to keep the pot under control? I still feel like I am struggling to strike the right balance in these types of situation. 
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#2
11-16-2005, 01:30 PM
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Re: 10-20 NLH -- Pot control v. value
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Am I missing too much value by trying to keep the pot under control? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah... I think you need to bet the turn every time, or raise the flop. You think you are against 88? That is only one possible hand, which he'd probably lead the turn with. Bet the turn.
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11-16-2005, 01:32 PM
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Re: 10-20 NLH -- Pot control v. value
Two pair is a pretty strong hand in this situation. He could have a big ace or maybe even air if he is any good. I raise the flop and turn.
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#5
11-16-2005, 01:34 PM
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Re: 10-20 NLH -- Pot control v. value
4 handed with only 2 running cards I'd definitely say this erring on the side of caution. You have a very solid 2 pair, he's more likely to put you on a draw or an A weak kicker than the reverse, quite probably you have him trapped and drawing to 3 or fewer outs much more often than not here. Unlike the other posters so far, I'm fine with just calling the flop and reraising or open leading on the turn if checked too, he's much more likely to pay off with A-10, AJ if you build it slowly than blast him off of those hands on the flop with your TAG image. The other advice might work if you have a looser image but you're not likely to get paid off with a weak A with this approach which is what you want with your current table image. Reraising on the flop also makes it dangerously easy to get stacked if he did hit that set as unlikely as it is, the opening lead into the preflop raiser from a TAG is always a bit of a danger sign. Fire another 60-75% on the turn and hope elicit a call from him on the river to a small value bet if he checks an A good kicker to you but top and bottom pair 2 handed from late position 4 handed is too good to play weak like this on the turn. If he check raises big or leads out for a pot sized bet on the river if paint comes and you've got a further decision but you definitely need to apply more pressure here on the turn.
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#7
11-16-2005, 01:37 PM
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Re: 10-20 NLH -- Pot control v. value
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Two pair is a pretty strong hand in this situation. He could have a big ace or maybe even air if he is any good. I raise the flop and turn. [/ QUOTE ] Very true, leading into a button raiser outta hte blinds with nothing is something i do very very often You gotta have something to steal my blinds.
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#8
11-16-2005, 01:42 PM
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Re: 10-20 NLH -- Pot control v. value
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Why in the world do I want to raise the flop if Villain is on pure air? [/ QUOTE ] If he has AK-A10, you want to raise the flop so your two pair doesn't get counterfitted. If he has air, you want to raise the flop to keep him in line. Even though you've likely got the best hand right now, I hope you'll raise in this spot when you don't.
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#9
11-16-2005, 01:48 PM
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Re: 10-20 NLH -- Pot control v. value
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[ QUOTE ] Why in the world do I want to raise the flop if Villain is on pure air? [/ QUOTE ] If he has air, you want to raise the flop to keep him in line. [/ QUOTE ] If you are talking about this specific hand, I don't want to keep Villain in line if he has air. If you are talking metagame, I'm still not sure that I want to keep Villain in line, but in any case, calling keeps him in line enough for my purposes.
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#10
11-16-2005, 01:58 PM
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Re: 10-20 NLH -- Pot control v. value
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Why in the world do I want to raise the flop if Villain is on pure air? [/ QUOTE ] You don't raise the flop because the villain may have air, you raise in spite of that fact. If the villain has air and is conservative like you said, there is no way you are getting any more money out of him on the turn with an ace on the board. Therefore, you raise to protect your hand in case the villain has a bigger ace, but you're not really losing anything even if he does have air.
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