betting (and hitting) the diamond flush

pmuir10 · #1 11-18-2005, 03:15 AM

Hand 1
I saw one hand with BB earlier in which he pot bet AA all the way down, after minraising them PF.
No read on the other villain

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BB ($100)
UTG ($94.50)
MP ($98.50)
CO ($278.10)
Button ($122.65)
Hero ($120.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, 2 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3, UTG calls $3, MP calls $3, Hero raises to $6, BB calls $3, UTG folds, MP calls $3.

Turn: ($25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $20, BB calls $20, MP calls $20.

River: ($85) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $60, BB calls $73 (All-In), MP calls $71.50 (All-In), Hero calls $13.

Final Pot: $302.50

Hand 2

Villain in this hand is tight for 6max 15/5, i have not seen him show anything down yet. I suspect he is a 2+2er from his name.

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BB ($114.40)
UTG ($113.40)
MP ($227)
Button ($95.35)
Hero ($107.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $2, BB calls $2, MP folds.

Turn: ($7) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.

River: ($31) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $15, Hero raises to $45, BB calls $30.

Final Pot: $121

amoeba · #2 11-18-2005, 03:20 AM

I really don't understand flop check minraise in hand 1.

in hand 2, why the river check raise? how are you so certain he'll bet again?

I bet the turn in hand 2 for 5, bet the river for 20.

#3 11-18-2005, 03:24 AM

The first hand I fold, because I fear a higher flush draw, and being OOP hurts me. An argument can be made for calling I guess, I dunno.

In any case a check-min-raise I really really don't like.

In the second hand, why did you check-raise the river? What did you put him on? I'd check-call the river since you have the 3rd nut flush on a paired board

I'm too lazy to do the math, but if he has a flush I'd say it's about a 50/50 that it's higher or lower than yours, so that sort of cancels out. But what are you trying to get value from? a 3 is unlikly given his flop call, and an 8 is hard-pressed to call a checkraise on that board

PoBoy321 · #4 11-18-2005, 03:27 AM

I really don't like the play in hand 1. Just call the bets on the flop. Maybe lead the turn for 1/2 pot as a delayed semi-bluff, you could easily hold 9T and still have a lot of outs if you're called. Given the stack sizes, just put it all in on the river.

Hand 2 I 3-bet the turn to ~32.

pmuir10 · #5 11-18-2005, 03:28 AM

oh yea forgot to add that flop check minraise in hand 1 is a misclick.. i meant to just call..

pmuir10 · #6 11-18-2005, 03:33 AM

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The first hand I fold

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where?

as for Hand 2, with the turn call and river check, I was seeing monsters due to villains tightness. on the river i intended to check call, and ended up raising because i thought his bet was weak enough that a lower flush or weird two pair calls my raise. i dont like it much looking at it now though.