KK in live 2/5 NL

#1 09-16-2005, 11:23 AM

Playing a 2/5 NL home game. 8-handed.

Weekly game everyone knows everyone very well. Villian is aggressive and solid, but can be a little loose. Game just started all stacks are near $200.

UTG folds. Hero gets K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG+1 and raises to $15 (standard raise). Folded to villian on the button who calls, SB and the BB comes along.

3 to the flop

7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB checks, Hero bets 30, Villian goes all-in.

BB folds.

Hero???

Fairless · #2 09-16-2005, 11:30 AM

with a straight/flush draw on board these decisions are always the most diffucult. If you know he would rarely semi-bluff then this is an easy fold. You could definately be looking at a set possibility. I would lay this one down. Seems like your a small fav. or bid dog situation.

captZEEbo1 · #3 09-16-2005, 11:48 AM

you are getting pretty good odds, I probably call.

BobboFitos · #4 09-16-2005, 02:39 PM

stacks are 40bbs and you have an overpair. why would you ever fold?

#5 09-16-2005, 03:31 PM

I called and villian showed 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Turn was J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] river was Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. He made his straight and stacked me.

Nearly everyone here would have made the call. Would others here have pushed on the OESFD if you were the villian?

Thanks,
Vince

Jeebus · #6 09-16-2005, 04:27 PM

the only way i wouldn't immediately push with the OESFD is if I convinced myself that you had AKc and I would still end up doing it probably.
15 outs always looks good with two cards to come.

edge · #7 09-16-2005, 06:13 PM

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the only way i wouldn't immediately push with the OESFD is if I convinced myself that you had AKc and I would still end up doing it probably.
15 outs always looks good with two cards to come.

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Ehh...

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1223967
pokenum -h 8c 9c - ac kc -- 7c tc 4d
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Tc 7c 4d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
9c 8c 419 42.32 571 57.68 0 0.00 0.423
Ac Kc 571 57.68 419 42.32 0 0.00 0.577

I hope you realize that although you lose the flush outs, you pick up 6 pair outs to a winning hand, although he has a good redraw if you hit.

GimmeDaWatch · #8 09-17-2005, 09:11 AM

He had to push you had to call. Decisions are pretty straight forward with stacks that shallow.

#9 09-17-2005, 11:08 AM

If you think you had a read on him (loose), then the call was correct regardless of the outcome. The only reason I like his play is the limited stacks to start. If he made that play in a bigger stack game, it would probably let him win a small one or lose a big one most of the time.