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12-12-2005, 11:20 AM
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Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
I haven't posted a hand in a while so here's one that might be standard and boring. All my hands are pretty standard and boring so whatever.
Live 2/5 at Foxwoods ($300-$500 buyin). Everybody and their brother stood up half an hour ago to go eat dinner so we're playing 4-handed. In general, other players have recognized the need to loosen up preflop due to the short game but they're folding too much postflop. Effective stacks $600. Villain makes it $20 UTG, button calls, SB calls, I call in the BB with T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($80) SB checks, I check, UTG bets $40, button folds, SB folds, I call. UTG has been pretty aggressive since we got short but I think he's been catching cards (tough to say as not much has gone to showdown). This 1/2 pot bet is automatic if he has any piece of the board at all but he'd probably check something like 88 or 77 with 4 people in. He hasn't shown down any aggressively played draws but that doesn't mean he hasn't been semibluffing. Turn 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($160) I check, he bets $100, I call. I'm almost positive he has at least a king here. I think he'd take the free card on a diamond draw and would bet more on either the flop or turn (or both) if he flopped the nuts. River: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($360) I bet $250. 
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#2
12-12-2005, 11:41 AM
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Re: Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
I think this is all about your image and how you've been playing draws. Do you typically make a call with a flush draw only getting 2.6-1 on the turn here? If you are representing the str8 draw as well, then I think it also depends on how you've been playing superdraws. (If you've been aggressive with them, I'm not sure you line here has sold your hand as a superdraw)
Also, have you seen him make big calls? FWIW, I think this is pretty interesting...
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#3
12-12-2005, 11:46 AM
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Re: Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
I almost never check/call flush draws because they have little to no implied odds. However, lots of players would do exactly what I did with a diamond draw (i.e. chase at bad odds OOP, then come out betting whent hey hit) so I expect to have some credibility here. I had shown down very little the entire session (probably 3-4 hands max in the 3 hours I'd played with this player, including the full ring stuff). I showed a semibluff raise to the table a couple orbits ago (I had an OESD on the button against a LAG) but have been either winning pots with raises earlier in the hand or folding prior to the showdown (or mucking at showdown).
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#4
12-12-2005, 11:52 AM
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Re: Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
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I almost never check/call flush draws because they have little to no implied odds. However, lots of players would do exactly what I did with a diamond draw (i.e. chase at bad odds OOP, then come out betting whent hey hit) so I expect to have some credibility here. I had shown down very little the entire session (probably 3-4 hands max in the 3 hours I'd played with this player, including the full ring stuff). I showed a semibluff raise to the table a couple orbits ago (I had an OESD on the button against a LAG) but have been either winning pots with raises earlier in the hand or folding prior to the showdown (or mucking at showdown). [/ QUOTE ] I think this looks Ok as long as he's able to lay something as big as 2 pair down. I think your folding equity here is quite good. Be sure to post results later...
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#8
12-12-2005, 12:19 PM
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Re: Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
Good relative position? Hes 2nd to act on all streets.
Good hand? I like it multiway in position in unraised pots, I don't think this is much of a great spot to be playing T8s in. Although I can only imagine how bad these players are, so it was probably correct to call, under normal conditions, I'd fold.
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#10
12-12-2005, 01:13 PM
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Re: Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
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I mean relative position to the raiser, meaning he is effectively last to act on the flop. Obviously not as good as the real thing, but at least something. [/ QUOTE ] whaaa... pfr (UTG) has position on Hero here... or am I missing something [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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