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Old 09-28-2005, 08:15 PM
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Default Manipulation via stack sizes

Hey All,
I just read in another thread that sometimes as a large stack, it's wise to keep the medium stack around when around the bubble.
It makes sense to me that threre's something good about this idea, but it's not clear in my mind why.
I think it's because you can siphon money off the medium stack because he tightens up, because he's waiting for a small stack to bust out. Is this correct?

Also, are there other situations like this that I can take advantage of?
I think I'm on the cusp of entering into intermediate play. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Yey [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Shooby
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Old 09-28-2005, 08:46 PM
Fletch101 Fletch101 is offline
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Default Re: Manipulation via stack sizes

It's like you said. You can steal from the medium stacks more easily as long as the shorty is still alive.
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Old 09-28-2005, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: Manipulation via stack sizes

This is the advantage of being the big stack.

Sometimes you can get away with a rediculously high number of steals.

I think its wise to pass up marginal EV situations when a small stack goes allin.

I dont think keeping the medium stack is more benefitial as your stack lead would be significant and you would pass up to much EV.

But if the situation is

you 4000
M 2000
M 1500
S 500

and S goes allin and you have say a calling hand in BB you should pass on this when you have control over the table.
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Old 09-28-2005, 09:11 PM
beeyjay beeyjay is offline
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Default Re: Manipulation via stack sizes

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it's wise to keep the small stack around when around the bubble

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fyp. then you can rock on the medium stacks.
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Old 09-28-2005, 10:58 PM
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Default Re: Manipulation via stack sizes

You need to look at his stack size (to make sure it is medium) AND LOOK AT HIS INTELLIGENCE LEVEL.

From Memory:

Hero: (3900)
Villian: (3400)
Shortie: (700)
Blinds: 200/400

Shortie Folds
Hero dealt two decent cards and pushes.
Villian calls with A3o.

He risk going out third to call me with that! I hadn't been stealing that much!

Of cousre he hit a 3 on the flop and another on the river.

I went out third!

--------------Jeff
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Old 09-28-2005, 11:05 PM
Freudian Freudian is offline
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Default Re: Manipulation via stack sizes

[ QUOTE ]
You need to look at his stack size (to make sure it is medium) AND LOOK AT HIS INTELLIGENCE LEVEL.

From Memory:

Hero: (3900)
Villian: (3400)
Shortie: (700)
Blinds: 200/400

Shortie Folds
Hero dealt two decent cards and pushes.
Villian calls with A3o.

He risk going out third to call me with that! I hadn't been stealing that much!

Of cousre he hit a 3 on the flop and another on the river.

I went out third!

--------------Jeff

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There is a huge difference in calling standards with a shorty present when on the bubble and ITM.
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