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Old 05-13-2005, 08:36 AM
uphigh_downlow uphigh_downlow is offline
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Default Re: Well, the pot says I\'m getting 2:1....

gotta admit it. Shuda known before i opened my mouth to doubt a carpal tunnel [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Math was indeed wrong. 35% is the correct threshhold for +ve expectation.

My apologies for causing this confusion.
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Old 05-13-2005, 08:46 AM
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Default Re: Well, the pot says I\'m getting 2:1....

The breakeven threshhold is closer to 33%. Easy call.
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Old 05-13-2005, 09:14 AM
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Default Re: Well, the pot says I\'m getting 2:1....

This call wins tournaments, it's good for two reasons:

1) You have the odds; win this and you have a major advantage heading into post bubble round. You likely have two clean out cards.

2) It sends a message to your opponnents to not push into me with nothing because i'm likely to call with any two; When I see a Big Stack fold in these situations I push at them like crazy when i'm another medium or Big Stack because I know they will only call with premium hands.
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Old 05-13-2005, 09:53 AM
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Default Re: Well, the pot says I\'m getting 2:1....

Not necessarily advocating it, but no discussion on keeping a short stack alive?

Overrated strategy? Would his stack be too small after posting the SB on the next hand? Would he gain some FE for his future pushes? Or be viewed as weak and everyone would push him around?
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Old 05-13-2005, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: Well, the pot says I\'m getting 2:1....

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Not necessarily advocating it, but no discussion on keeping a short stack alive?

Overrated strategy? Would his stack be too small after posting the SB on the next hand? Would he gain some FE for his future pushes? Or be viewed as weak and everyone would push him around?

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You're misapplying that concept - you'd only want to keep the short stack alive if the chip counts were something like 4500 (you) - 1600 - 1500 - 400. You need a significant chip lead to think about doing something like that.
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Old 05-13-2005, 10:16 AM
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Default Re: Well, the pot says I\'m getting 2:1....

just adding my .02, but if you're getting better than 2:1 and you have the stack to do it (which you do here), i think it's an easy call.
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Old 05-13-2005, 10:16 AM
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Default Re: Well, the pot says I\'m getting 2:1....

Thanks, that is what I started thinking as I was writing the post.
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Old 05-13-2005, 11:48 AM
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Default Re: Well, the pot says I\'m getting 2:1....

You letting Morgan tell you how to play SNGs?

This is a call as the others have already said. I don't agree with the "always call getting 2-1 for less than 1/3 of my stack" mantra but in this case its solid.
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Old 05-13-2005, 12:47 PM
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Default Re: losing proposition @ 40%

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if you accept that you are 40%on this hand, then its a losing proposition.

has a -ve EV for a call with 40% odds

barely even at 45%

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WRONG. You are risking 448 chips to win 1048. If you did this 100x, the sixty hands you lost would cost you 26,880 chips, but the 40 hands you won would gain you 41,920 chips. The +ev of a call here is a little over 150 chips per hand. Calling is a no-brainer.
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Old 05-13-2005, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: losing proposition @ 40%


Also T6o is a good hand! btw I think folding should be fine with the very weakest of hands, especially if you don't expect your opponent to be pushing any 2. I suspect that the weakest one's may be CLOSE to -EV (ie 32o, 53o etc). However T6 is the nuts.
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