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05-27-2005, 01:08 PM
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Out of practice...Pretty basic, most likely
So, I'm just getting back to playing after a 4mo layoff, and I want to make sure I'm not making any serious mistakes. SB is raising light, the other 3 players are pretty passive calling stations. Raise pf? Thx in advance.
-Jaran Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls. Flop: (10 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls. Turn: (10 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls. River: (18 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls. Final Pot: 21 BB 
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#2
05-27-2005, 01:11 PM
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Re: Out of practice...Pretty basic, most likely
This looks good. I would probably raise preflop but if you think the SB will raise calling is good too (and this set you up nicely for the flop). If you didn't think SB would raise, it might be worth raising to shut out the blinds.
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#3
05-27-2005, 01:12 PM
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Re: Out of practice...Pretty basic, most likely
I'd raise preflop, and since everyone's in I think that I'd call the flop and raise a turn blank.
Since you describe MP3 as passive, I tend to credit this bet more than most people do. Against someone that I have enough hands with, I'll be able to conclude I'm behind. I still think the turn raise is good in this spot, though. I think the river bet's okay, with the same disclaimer as the turn. If I strongly suspected that MP3 wouldn't bet without a hand that beats me, I'd just show it down.
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#4
05-27-2005, 01:12 PM
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Re: Out of practice...Pretty basic, most likely
Yes, raise preflop. I like the flop raise because it yields immediate value, as opposed to calling there and watching it get checked to you on the turn.
Turn raise is good - looks like MP3 has maybe a weak top pair and is putting you on a flush draw. He doesn't want to give you a free card. You're most likely ahead, imo, and these players are willing to coldcall with weak hands/draws. I love the raise. And nice value bet on the end.
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#5
05-27-2005, 01:13 PM
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Re: Out of practice...Pretty basic, most likely
PF: I wouldn't raise it, I don't like all the players in the hand. I'd fold it.
Postflop, looks fine, there's nothing too scary out there, you've got top pair with a good kicker and nobody is giving you any resistance.
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#6
05-27-2005, 01:43 PM
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Re: Out of practice...Pretty basic, most likely
LEAK! If one of the limpers was tight I think about folding, otherwise it's either a raise or call. I prefer raise.
[ QUOTE ] PF: I wouldn't raise it, I don't like all the players in the hand. I'd fold it. [/ QUOTE ]
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#7
05-27-2005, 01:57 PM
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Re: Out of practice...Pretty basic, most likely
I don't think I like raising this pre-flop, especially for someone who is out of practice. KJ is too easily dominated and a raise from the button isn't going to thin the field.
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#8
05-27-2005, 02:07 PM
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Re: Out of practice...Pretty basic, most likely
That's okay, I don't think calling is a leak. He said fold, and that is a leak. Calling and raising here is pretty close.
[ QUOTE ] I don't think I like raising this pre-flop, especially for someone who is out of practice. KJ is too easily dominated and a raise from the button isn't going to thin the field. [/ QUOTE ]
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#9
05-27-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: Out of practice...Pretty basic, most likely
[ QUOTE ]
a raise from the button isn't going to thin the field. [/ QUOTE ] This is an interesting point. This is certainly table dependent but I find if you just call, sb will complete ~80% of the time and bb will usually check without a strong multiway hand. If you raise, SB will call 10-20% of the time and BB will call ~60% of the time. So I think a raise can often increase your pot equity and the times you don't hit you will have a free look at the turn fairly often (or a flop bet can give you a free look at the river). A preflop raise can also save you from the disaster of a reverse dominating hand like J4 or J5 in one of the blinds. Finally there are 2 limpers from MP which makes me think we are usually way ahead of them and they may even be the ones dominated or drawing slim. If there was an EP limper I would probably change to a call here. However, given the read on the SB here I think a call is fine.
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#10
05-27-2005, 02:02 PM
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Re: Out of practice...Pretty basic, most likely
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PF: I wouldn't raise it, I don't like all the players in the hand. I'd fold it. Postflop, looks fine, there's nothing too scary out there, you've got top pair with a good kicker and nobody is giving you any resistance. [/ QUOTE ] Wrong. You're on the button, and there are plenty of players in this hand. Call. Also, OP has a good read on the players, so he has enough information to make this a safe play. Also, the fact that he has TPGK all the way through helps. I bet he took this one down.
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