pushing in the orange zone (PP$150)

[el_dusto]

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since, no one has chosen "fold" yet, can those who advocate the "~3 BB raise" option comment on what they'd do if they got re-raised pre-flop?

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1 reraiser: call
reraiser followed by more re-reraisers: fold

if the one reraise was an insta-push, I might move my cursor over all the buttons and then pick fold.

[Texas Pete]

Since the ~3BB raise encourages middle and lower pairs to push, I don't like it. I also think if someone flat calls it is going to be a high pocket pair, AQ, or AK and a big stack. Plus a failed continuation bet leaves hero with not much of a stack at all. I would rather fold this hand than make a standard raise.

Since the push is marginally +CEV with good players it serves as a nice dividing line for an orange zone push, IMO.

Personally I am not calling this allin without a premium hand: TT+, AK. Of course, if the callers have tighter ranges than 22+, AQ+ then it's even more +CEV to push, right??

[McMelchior]

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Since the ~3BB raise encourages middle and lower pairs to push, I don't like it.

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For exactly the same reason I like it.

Very big difference between STTs and MTTs.

In STTs it's a sound strategy to sneak into the money - stack conservation issues are highly relevant.

I firmly believe in MTTs that doubling your stack at critical points - and one is very much about to come up, a point where you lose your FE because of stack shrinkage - gives you substantially bigger EV gain the you lose by busting out. There's just too little value in 'sneaking' in - and too much to win by making it deep in the money.

I'd be happy to see middle or lower pairs push here - I'd call in a heart beat, getting the right odds, and adding value to my stronger hands later on should I prevail.

Additionally, I expect to see worse Aces and even KQ type hands coming over the top - at least at the levels I play ($20 buy-in, $5 - $10 re-buys).

Best,

McMelchior (Johan)

[Texas Pete]

Good point and thanks for the reply. So that is one possible standard raise play: raise with the intention of calling an allin from an aggressive player, but not a tight one. What do you do if you get one caller? I think it's either push the flop or check and fold at that point, since continuation bets are not really orange zone material, are they?