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guaranteedBluff · #1 11-18-2005, 05:30 PM

Button is a party regular player against whom I am playing 100s of hands/night lately. He is a solid, thinking player (~15/5/3). I have picked up on a few of his betting tells. Here, he has AA/KK/QQ based on his abnormally large raise. I want to get his whole stack, but I know he is willing to lay down an overpair to a potential 3-bet.

I'm thinking perhap C/C the flop and try to raise on later street, to hide my set as maybe "a lower overpair".

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 ($103.10)
MP3 ($211.09)
CO ($164.80)
Button ($97)
SB ($460.13)
BB ($100)
UTG ($127.90)
UTG+1 ($77)
Hero ($93.50)
MP1 ($120.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, Hero calls $1, 3 folds, CO calls $1, Button raises to $7, SB (poster) calls $6.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, CO folds.

Flop: ($23) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

djoyce003 · #2 11-18-2005, 05:34 PM

bet and let him raise you...then call the raise I guess......turn that looks bad is going to kill your action though...that's the problem on this hand...if he'll really fold to the threebet, I'd suggest leading, calling the raise, then leading the turn real small like you are trying to draw cheaply and hope that he raises you again....then you can get it all in...that would be my advice....just do your best not to have a spade fall on the turn.

4_2_it · #3 11-18-2005, 05:54 PM

You have bottom set on a draw heavy board. Even if villain doesn't have either of the draws there are too many cards that will kill your action. Make a pot size bet with hopes of 3-betting if villain raises. AA and KK pay you off here.

guaranteedBluff · #4 11-18-2005, 05:57 PM

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AA and KK pay you off here.

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Normally, I'd agree. But this guy will fold an overpair to a 3-bet (from me, he knows this is how I'd play a low set), I've seen him do it before; if the solution were this simple, I wouldn't have posted the hand.

4_2_it · #5 11-18-2005, 06:07 PM

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AA and KK pay you off here.

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Normally, I'd agree. But this guy will fold an overpair to a 3-bet (from me, he knows this is how I'd play a low set), I've seen him do it before; if the solution were this simple, I wouldn't have posted the hand.

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If you called his raise and bet out the turn would he also fold with an unimproved overpair? If so, why give him a free card.

Also, why did you call his raise with 22 in the first place if the raiser won't pay you off when you hit a set?

guaranteedBluff · #6 11-18-2005, 06:13 PM

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If you called his raise and bet out the turn would he also fold with an unimproved overpair? If so, why give him a free card.

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I am not sure. This is one line that I considered. Maybe if I make it look enough like a draw with a smallish bet.

Another option I was thinking of would be to C/R the turn AI... of course we are assuming in all of this that another spade doesn't hit.

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Also, why did you call his raise with 22 in the first place if the raiser won't pay you off when you hit a set?

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The prospect of a 3-way pot with CO coming along.

bigt2k4 · #7 11-18-2005, 06:17 PM

try leading the flop into him for the pot, he'll definitely raise and then u can call and push turn or push right there

4_2_it · #8 11-18-2005, 06:20 PM

Don't overlook the possibility of two pr or a straight draw. I think all-in by the turn is where you need to be, but raising the flop just makes this easier. Once a potential draw hits this type of villain won't commit another dime.

Sometimes you won't always get paid when a set hits and there is nothing you can do about it. You were gambling on CO coming along and he didn't like so I think you make do with what you got.

guaranteedBluff · #9 11-18-2005, 06:22 PM

C/C, lead turn anyone?

C/C, C/R turn anyone?

djoyce003 · #10 11-18-2005, 06:51 PM

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C/C, lead turn anyone?

C/C, C/R turn anyone?

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see my post that was evidently ignored...the only way to get the money in against this guy is to let him put it in there...play it like a draw trying to get there cheaply...he'll raise to charge you if he's decent....then he's building the pot and you look like a donkey for calling....if he's as good as you say I don't see any other way to get it in there.....the flop bet won't be large enough to get him all in on the turn to a checkraise...it's gotta be larger....hence you lead, he raises...then you lead tiny at the turn saying "please let me draw cheap" he'll raise you again and then you have him committed....only way to play it I think and this method is VERY effective against TAGS.