Thank God for Roosevelt thru Bush 41

[Beer and Pizza]

Truman > Bush41 = the cold war presidents

Clinton = the gap president (lets call him the Neville Chamberlain of US Presidents)

Bush43 > several future presidents = the new cold war (against terror) line of presidents

Like Truman, Bush43 will be more appreciated from a historical view, in his role as first of a line of Presidents who eventually defeated terrorism.

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I think waxie should be cut a little slack as it sounds like his understanding of American history comes solely from what he was taught in public school.

[tylerdurden]

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No, FDR stopped the great depression

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HAW HAW HAW... oh, you're serious?

[BCPVP]

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No, FDR stopped the great depression

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HAW HAW HAW... oh, you're serious?

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Skim his term paper thread. He's serious.

[tylerdurden]

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If it wasn't for Lincoln, the entire country...well, it wouldn't be a country anymore.

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And why is that desirable? Is it bad that the USSR dissolved?

Lincoln is worse than FDR in my book. He murdered 600,000 americans in a war of conquest against a nation that espoused the same concepts the US originally did with the Declaration of Independence. His motivation was nothing less than the most noble goal of mercantilism, the most wrongheaded economic policy this nation had ever seen. He gave legitimacy to the barbaric concept of total war. He ushered in the era of big government - the first true manifestation of Hamilton's twisted vision of big central government.

[InchoateHand]

"And why is that desirable? Is it bad that the USSR dissolved?" According to a growing number of the former inhabitants, yes.

But wait, I always forget in your little "AC" fantasy camp, everyone behaves exactly how you DICTATE they will.

[Beer and Pizza]

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If it wasn't for Lincoln, the entire country...well, it wouldn't be a country anymore.

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And why is that desirable? Is it bad that the USSR dissolved?


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What do you think the world would look like today if there were both a USA and a CSA?

Would the CSA still have slavery, or just some form of Jim Crow?

How would it affect the economies of both?

How would it affect the outcomes of foreign wars like WWII, etc.?

I think the world would be a lot worse off.

[BCPVP]

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He murdered 600,000 americans in a war of conquest against a nation that espoused the same concepts the US originally did with the Declaration of Independence.

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Technically, the South started the war at Ft. Sumter. And that "nation" espoused slavery, something you don't seem to like.

[tylerdurden]

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He murdered 600,000 americans in a war of conquest against a nation that espoused the same concepts the US originally did with the Declaration of Independence.

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Technically, the South started the war at Ft. Sumter. And that "nation" espoused slavery, something you don't seem to like.

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The US had forces in CS teritorry and refused to remove them. Are you guilty of a crime if you find a trespasser on your territory and act to remove him?

As for slavery, the US espoused slavery at the time of the Declaration. Lincoln had no intentions of ending slavery. He's on record as saying the white race is superior, and that his goal is to re-unify. He did say he would end slavery if that would help him achieve his goal, but he would also continue it if that would help him achieve his goal.

Slavery is a side issue. It existed all over the world, and ended (on a large scale, at least) world wide without bloody multi-year conflicts.

[Beer and Pizza]

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He murdered 600,000 americans in a war of conquest against a nation

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Do you become a nation just by declaring yourself to be a nation?

If so, I'd like to announce the formation of a new nation - coming soon. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]