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Old 12-21-2005, 11:34 PM
beset7 beset7 is offline
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

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you have a PAIR OF ACES. how can you fold that.

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The argument for raising has nothing to do with the hero's hand. Please keep in mind that I advocate folding here. I just thinking that folding > raising > calling. My friend advocated calling here atleast some of the time short-handed.
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Old 12-21-2005, 11:36 PM
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I was being ironical.

My honest thoughts about this hand are that hero screwed up by limping PF and only calling on the flop. Allowing 35xx or 36xx or whatever to hang around is the mistake here.
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Old 12-22-2005, 12:16 AM
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

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I was being ironical.

My honest thoughts about this hand are that hero screwed up by limping PF and only calling on the flop. Allowing 35xx or 36xx or whatever to hang around is the mistake here.

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No, Alanis, you weren't being "ironical". You were being a jackass.
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Old 12-23-2005, 05:00 AM
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

Why no flop raise?
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:11 AM
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

Because you want worse lows to call, not be chased out.
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Old 12-23-2005, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

he leads into a loaded field w/no low there and a a few low draws.

turn is the ace and he fires again, this just doesn't seem like an open-ender betting the flop, unless he's got a made high to go along with it.

probably a flopped set/2pair hand who made a weak low with the ace.

i wish i knew the math here. . .look to chop w/any low card on the river.
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Old 12-23-2005, 05:29 PM
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

There are some situations where you should stay heads up with hands as weak as this one,but these situations exist only when the pot is large. The large pot is the key.To take a long shot at a pot this small is ill advised.
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Old 12-23-2005, 05:39 PM
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

This is a very reasonable hand,but it's not really strong. 9,9 is not very good preflop because trip 9's are not all that good on the flop.This hand is basically an A2 suited with no back up for the low.Preflop,the call is much stronger than the raise,imo.
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:03 PM
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Easy fold on the turn here, I don't see why this is a difficult decision.

JMO - Knoll
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Old 12-24-2005, 03:15 AM
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

beset,

given your read, i dont think this is as clear a fold as everyone says. there are a ton of hands that an loose aggressive player with a limit HE background could be betting. in fact, there are quite a few hands that i, even as a supertight player, would bet in his spot on the turn against only one opponent that your A299 would actually be ahead or getting more than proper odds to call. on the turn, i'm mostly certainly betting 56 with diamonds here with or without a pair, any two pair on the flop, and even A2 with no high. while i agree the pot is probably too small to make a stand a significant minority of the time, one should not entirely dismiss the albeit small possibility of a scoop.

against aggressive players at these limits, i think you give up way too much if this is an instant fold everytime.

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