Jerk of the Day

[MaxPower]

First player should have bet/3-bet him, but I agree that it is a Jerk move. It is totally uncalled for.

[gnawk]

There are jerks in every phase of life. If you are going to negatively react every time you see a jerk move, you will be one aggravated person. However there is a solution, people should try to get the card rooms to change the rule on the showing of losing hands. The players have the power if they are willing to use it.

[andyfox]

I agree with you on changing the rules. It's supposed to be to prevent collusion. In this case, there were only two players involved pre-flop. There had been no "history" between the two involved (at least on that day). Player 1 is often a jerk.

I never get upset with how any one plays their cards or what they say to me. In this case, player 2 was running badly, he's a gentleman all the time, and what player 1 did was just plain rude.

[andyfox]

Loser tried to muck (he was in seat 9). The cards were on the muck, dealer took them out and showed them. Loser complained to the dealer, who responded, correctly, that the requeset to see his cards came before he mucked.

40-80. Commerce.

[andyfox]

Others immediately did.

I know there is the "expose the hand to prevent collusion" rule, but I've never seen anyone invoke it. Abuse of the rule like this is simply unconscionable.

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40-80. Commerce.

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Would other rooms expose the loser's hand in this situation (i.e. where no collusion could have taken place)? Absent other factors (the game being ridiculously good) I would avoid playing there if this is how they run their room. This jerk is taking advantage of the rules and the dealer is letting him.

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He was probably curious to see what kind of boat loser had. I don't think you or loser should take it personally.

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He is abusing the rules to gain information. I think he's an [censored] and I would be insulted if I was at the table. Do you think it would be fair for him to see everyone's cards when they fold the turn? or flop? or pre-flop? Exposing cards ruins the game.

[sfer]

Hi Andy,

bdk3clash is playing at Commerce for the next couple of days. I suspect the jerk-quotient is now at an all time high there.

Best Wishes
The DaveR

[andyfox]

Other rooms in So. Calif. would indeed expose the hand. While collusion is indeed the reason for the rule, it doesn't specify as such in the rulebook. All the book says is that if there's a call on the river, any player in the game can ask to see any and all hands. The dealer has no choice but to honor the request.

[BarronVangorToth]

Andy,

As Tommy Angelo wrote years ago and as many of us have said since then, the "I want to see that hand" rule is arguably the stupidest thing still alive in casinos.

I can't remember the last time I called the floor but I had to just last week when a guy did that to not one, not two, but three different people heads-up -- he was one of the better players at the table and yet felt some need to mock those that called him down with inferior holdings.

Absolutely moronic, especially when there is zero element of potential collusion involved (the theoretical thing this insane rule is meant to stop, but doesn't).

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com