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11-30-2005, 03:34 PM
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Blind v Blind, bubble approaching, party 20+2.
I had a friend sweating me in this tourney cuz he was bored at work, and we got into a tiff about the way I played this one.
Blinds 100/200 Me (BB): 2500ish Him (SB): 2600ish He is 20 vpip, 10 pfr. Pretty much a typical party player who overvalues big cards, and isn't terribly tricky. I have been weak tight as hell trying to find a good double up opp as average stack is 4.4kish and we are at 140 left with 70 cashing. Action: All fold to him. He completes. I have K4o and make it 500 to go. My friend says that pushing here should be automatic. I hate pushing in this spot. I will give my arguments later as to why I don't like pushing. Convince me that I am right or wrong. 
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#2
11-30-2005, 03:45 PM
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Re: Blind v Blind, bubble approaching, party 20+2.
I'm curious as to your reasoning for the raise to 500? I suppose if you feel he will complete with any pp, and call an all-in with it, that would be a viable reason for not raising all in.
However if he is one of those players that will call a raise with decent high cards but not raise them in the SB, then I think raising to 500 is a very bad idea. If called, are you planning on cont betting?
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#3
11-30-2005, 04:03 PM
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Re: Blind v Blind, bubble approaching, party 20+2.
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I'm curious as to your reasoning for the raise to 500? [/ QUOTE ] well, i like to keep my pf raises small. that way i dont tie myself to the pot later on. [ QUOTE ] I suppose if you feel he will complete with any pp, and call an all-in with it, that would be a viable reason for not raising all in. [/ QUOTE ] maybe slightly. my background is in sngs. as such, i am very good with a short stack, and i have a strong dispassion for getting more than 10bb in preflop unless absolutely necesarry. essentially, i thought that a raise of 500 would accomplish essentially the same thing as a push. furthermore, it allows me to get away from the hand if he is trapping. [ QUOTE ] If called, are you planning on cont betting? [/ QUOTE ] it depends upon the flop, but most likely the answer is yes.
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#5
11-30-2005, 04:17 PM
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Re: Blind v Blind, bubble approaching, party 20+2.
i don't like pushing here. if you get get called, you're going to be ~30% vs Kx/55-QQ, or ~40% vs a non-dominating A.
that's pretty bad shape. and you have a lot of equity in the pot just by checking, roughly 60% (you're in position, and your hand's probably a little better than his). so of the 400 out there, you can expect to win ~240 on average, so you only really win 160 when he folds to your push. and you're risking 2300 to win that 160, which is too much. i think making it 550-600 is fine (this is what i would do) and checking is fine, but pushing is risking too much to gain too little. if you had more like 9x instead of 12.5x i would probably push.
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#6
11-30-2005, 04:32 PM
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Re: Blind v Blind, bubble approaching, party 20+2.
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All fold to him. He completes. I have K4o and make it 500 to go. My friend says that pushing here should be automatic. I hate pushing in this spot. I will give my arguments later as to why I don't like pushing. Convince me that I am right or wrong. [/ QUOTE ] That is NOT what I said. What I said was, I prefer both checking and pushing to making it 500, because all 500 does (300 more to win 700) is get zero hands to fold and bloat the pot so you can't get away from bluffing your whole stack at a paired board.....
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#8
11-30-2005, 05:00 PM
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Re: Blind v Blind, bubble approaching, party 20+2.
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i think making it 550-600 is fine (this is what i would do) and checking is fine, but pushing is risking too much to gain too little. if you had more like 9x instead of 12.5x i would probably push. [/ QUOTE ] my thoughts exactly.
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#9
11-30-2005, 05:05 PM
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Re: Blind v Blind, bubble approaching, party 20+2.
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I think making it 500 sets you up to be outplayed. [/ QUOTE ] how? im in pos for the rest of a hand, and im a much better player than him.
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#10
11-30-2005, 05:07 PM
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Re: Blind v Blind, bubble approaching, party 20+2.
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[ QUOTE ] I think making it 500 sets you up to be outplayed. [/ QUOTE ] how? im in pos for the rest of a hand, and im a much better player than him. [/ QUOTE ] Not much room to be a better player than him when your stack is not much bigger than the pot. Are you pushing any flop that gets checked to you?
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