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Old 11-17-2005, 03:49 PM
djoyce003 djoyce003 is offline
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You just check and fold in this hand? What hand range do you put him on with this turn bet?

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I think he at worst has a set, or he has 44 for the straight...you raised preflop so representing the 4 is crazy....he knows you don't have one. I don't think a bluff folds out anything other than middle pocket pairs that haven't connected with this board.
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Old 11-17-2005, 03:53 PM
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dont bluff here
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Old 11-17-2005, 03:54 PM
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my fault TWP mis read the hand.
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Old 11-17-2005, 03:57 PM
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dont bluff here

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Why not? Come on, gimme a hand range with likelihoods...
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:03 PM
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You just check and fold in this hand? What hand range do you put him on with this turn bet?

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A set. 44. 77-TT. Ace high. All of which you are behind.

With 3 villians calling preflop, I think this is one of those spots to not continuation bet. I wouldn't be putting any more money in the middle and just move on to the next hand.

As played, I just think you have to give him credit for a hand and fold the turn. Is his hand range strong enough to call a raise from you? I think so. You PFR'd and bet the flop despite there being 3 villians in the hand with you. He has to consider that you have a strong enough hand to do this with, like JJ-AA. He still leads into you. Give him credit for a nh and move on.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:07 PM
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not a good hand reader, etc. I'm sure he's a winner in the games, but he also got stacked with open trips no kicker in this session. a donk at all either. Numbers are

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These guys play their own hands too much, and aren't paying enough attention to yours. Gonna be too tricky to move him off a hand here, plus he will call most turn raises, and you will have to do some weird guesswork on the river to figure out how to push him off his hand again.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:10 PM
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A set. 44. 77-TT. Ace high. All of which you are behind.

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A set: 12 combos
44: 6 combos

77-TT: 24 combos
A High: Lots of combos

77-TT and A high all fold to this raise.... so........
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:11 PM
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I'm going against the grain and saying make a close to PSR. I think he check/called to try and take it down on the turn. It's one of my own favorite plays as villain against an opponent that I feel continue bets often, but will fold to resistance. It works as an easy way to win a pot most times when I'm doing this in the right situation. His range here is any piece of the board, and mid PP, set C/r's turn I think.

EDIT: bad hand reader could just as easily mean villain may think "damn he's get 2 pair, hit a straight, or has aces"
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:11 PM
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not a good hand reader.....

....These guys play their own hands too much, and aren't paying enough attention to yours. Gonna be too tricky to move him off a hand here

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That's a good point. I missed that in the OP. Even more difficult to bluff him here because of that, IMO.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:13 PM
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If I was Villain, I would never play a set like this. I would raise the flop to start building a pot right away. Hands I would take his line are 88-TT. And if you raise me on the turn I will fold without a good read. I'm sure better players would tear me up for this but I don't play high enough for this to happen yet.

I don't think this is a bad spot to bluff if you think he is able fold a small overpair. However I wouldn't pull this move without a solid tableimage.
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