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Usually, I'd probably call the flop to induce a bet from UTG on the turn when I'd raise if it was a non heart. Can't get anyone to fold anyway.


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Yes but i can cash in on my large equity, and there is no guarantee UTG will bet again. I think this flop raise is pretty standard, no?

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HU maybe maybe I wait for the turn sometimes to mix it up, but with two opponents you raise the flop and it is not even close.

[Shillx]

No you can't fold to the turn 3-bet. I would fold the river though.

[ArturiusX]

The river is close, the pots big, but you're almost always beat here.

I call because people can be jerks with KQ.

[LoaferGee12]

Thoughts on the flop raise either of you? And I agree the river call is very marginal at best.

[shant]

Readless you can't play this any different.

[Shillx]

Thoughts on the flop raise either of you?

It is fine. There are two things that I consider when choosing to raise or call the flop.

1) How many people are in the middle

2) Do I have a one card BD flush draw

The bigger the number for part (1), the more I am inclined to wait it out and see what the turn brings. Likewise I'm more inclined to wait when I don't hold a key blocker (in this case the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]). So this is a picture perfect time to raise the flop IMO. Make your hand A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and put 4 callers in the middle and I'll wait until 4th street. (This is for a ring game. Don't really know how much things change in a SH game.)

Brad

Part (2) could very well be based on faulty logic and it would be interesting to see if it actually is better to wait without a flush redraw. My argument is that you will not be able to get a raise in with the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] when the 3rd [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] comes since you have to payoff all bets (therefore I like to get my value raise in now). Without the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] you can raise when the 3rd [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] comes and easily get away from it should someone make it 3-bets.

[ArturiusX]

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Thoughts on the flop raise either of you? And I agree the river call is very marginal at best.

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With a guy in the middle, flop raise is good. Waiting for the turn may cause MP to fold for 1 when SB bets out again. Also a few cards we aren't huge on, so lets get our money in while our equity is strong.

[yellowjack]

UTG took a creative line to get 3 bets in on the turn, and against the hand you happened to have, it worked. if you had something like Ah Jh his line would have been less effective.