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Old 07-29-2005, 02:30 PM
Stormwolf Stormwolf is offline
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I a

The problem with the bet is that your laying 1-1 that you wont be raised(since you will have to laydown, unless you plan to draw to a one carded straight that wont be paid off and might get you broke/tied), you may be against a shy AA/KK in which case you dont want to bet since your drawing, you might drawing dead to set or straight, or behind a two pair. Most of the time you are drawing and want the free card, and you get the added benefit of seeing the turn action before you put any money
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Old 07-29-2005, 02:49 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I am

I think a check is better than a push on this board. All things considered, the only things you're beating are straight draws at this point. You could very likely be against another over pair, trips, or AKs.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I am

Without having read any of the other responses, I would think that Likely I am behind at this point, but I might consider a mini bet - w/ the intent to go over the top to SB agression unless BB shows strength. With your read on SB, I am more concerned that BB has Ax(club), likely at least AJ + Flush Draw(if he represents strength), I think it's safe to fold. IMO a push here would only get called if you were beat.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I am

The more I think about the absolute last I want is to give a give a free card here. If I'm not already behind, I'm just as likely to hit my card and still not take down the pot. I want some kind of read on the SB vs. BB reaction to a mini-bet.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I am

min bet = teh suck.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:38 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I am

Could u elaborate?
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:42 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I am

yes
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I am

Allrighty then, my apologies for insulting your poker intelligence with my naive question and/or my analysis. I can understand how that line might be considered weak, but you don't have to be a smart-azz about it. If it's below you to address the question, then don't respond at all. I'm not in the mood to be flamed today just for your amusement...
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:59 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I a

I'll go in to it.

the problem with a mini bet is that if raised, we have no idea whether villain is just picking up on weakness or if villain really has a hand.

the miniraise forces us to fold if raised if they are aggressive and if they are passive, they fold hands we beat but calls with hands that beat us.
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Old 07-29-2005, 04:07 PM
intheflatfield intheflatfield is offline
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I a

Thanks, I appreciate the response. I would have to agree w/ you, but I guess what I was thinking back to the times that I have seen someone min bet after 2 check(it would make me think 2x about the possiblity that it was a trap bet) but even then they could just call and I still wouldn't know where I was. Or like you said, all of the sudden the you're making a decision for your entire stack w/o any more info than you started with. Just needed to think it thru better. What would you do?
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