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Old 07-29-2005, 06:11 AM
DrPublo DrPublo is offline
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Default Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I am

SB has been conspicuously bad at calling down with 2nd best hands. BB is new/unknown.

Watch the BB's play all the way. What's my line on the turn?

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP ($393)
Button ($97.95)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($293.39)</font>
BB ($329.18)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($196.05)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $13</font>, BB calls $12, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($42) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, SB calls $40, BB calls $40.

Turn: ($162) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero....

Also note that while I've been sitting for a bit at this table this is the first hand I've really played.

All comments welcome. Thanks,

The Doc
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Old 07-29-2005, 06:20 AM
alphatmw alphatmw is offline
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I am

i think SB has AK. but when it keeps getting checked to me i can't help but bet, so if SB is trapping, he'd probably get me.

AA or KK would not be playing a coordinated flop so passively.
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Old 07-29-2005, 06:34 AM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I a

The only thing your beating here is a straight draw, or possibly top pair!?

You can't bet without committing yourself, I think taking a free card is probably best, theres a strong possibility that one of them is going for a check-push.
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Old 07-29-2005, 06:40 AM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I a

check through the turn. decide the river based on the card.

benefits of betting this turn are far outweighed by calling all in drawing dead to a flush.

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Old 07-29-2005, 08:21 AM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I a

There isn't really very much 'calling all-in' since if he bets the turn he will have to push, I believe. In any case, because of this situation, I prefer just to check the flop. I would have expected to get check/raised on that flop about 80% of the time. Yuck.
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Old 07-29-2005, 01:34 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I a

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There isn't really very much 'calling all-in' since if he bets the turn he will have to push, I believe. In any case, because of this situation, I prefer just to check the flop. I would have expected to get check/raised on that flop about 80% of the time. Yuck.

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Definitely can't check the flop. I'm ahead too often and there are too many cards I don't want to see on the turn. Also note that if I do get c/r'ed on the flop, I don't mind getting it all in.


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Old 07-29-2005, 01:36 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I am

i think caution wins...knock the table
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Old 07-29-2005, 01:36 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot with QQ on turn...pot too big and I dont know where I a

Which cards, other than the 5c, do you not want to see on the turn?
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Old 07-29-2005, 01:37 PM
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Default Part 2

I decide to take the free card and check behind.

River: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB bets $60, BB folds (!!), I call.

SB shows T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Chop chop. Did not see that one coming.

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Old 07-29-2005, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: Part 2

Wow, I really don't get this hand. On the turn, there are TONS of cards you REALLY don't want to see. How can you check? I definitely push once I get here.
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