200 from 200 then 200 at 200

[Texas Pete]

I'm going to write down 200 lessons I learn from watching $200 SNGs. Then I'm going to play 200 of them. I am currently playing the $30's.

[Daliman]

I'll give you your first 2, which you likely already know;

#1 Play ultra tight first 2 levels.

#2 Call almost any raise from a single player allin giving you 2-1 pot odds if less than 1/3rd of your stack with any 2 cards.

[Texas Pete]

Level 2. Stacks are all ~T1000.
Two players in unraised pot

Flop comes J plus rags

First guy min bets (he had middle pair).
Second guy raises 3X his bet (he had A J ).
First guy calls.

Another blank on the turn, but it First guy pairs again and now has the best hand. He checks, TPTK goes all-in, and he calls and wins.

There are a lot of things to learn from this.
First, what what the purpose of TPTK's raise?
Was it to fold middle-pair, or to get more money in the pot?

If he was trying to fold him, he should have bet more. The stacks are still big and 3BB is not enough to fold middle pair.

If he was trying to get more money in the pot, it worked. But then he wants to fold him and goes all-in.

Darn, I have some more questions now about why he didn't raise his A J in the first place. He may have been in middle or early position.

[doggin]

What is so significant about the magical 2 to 1 odds.
I've noticed on the WPT, Mike Sexton will always say,
"I tell you Vince, he's getting 2 to 1 for a call, I don't
see how he cannot call it", even if the guy has junk!

[Oluwafemi]

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I'm going to write down 200 lessons I learn from watching $200 SNGs. Then I'm going to play 200 of them. I am currently playing the $30's.

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sounds like a plan. good luck.

[WarDekar]

Because with 2 to 1 pot odds, any rag hand has 1/3 of a chance to win the pot (depending on the other hand, but the few times it's down more than that is made up for the other vast majority of the time that it isn't down near that much).

[Texas Pete]

Level 3. Allin Guy comes over the top of a 3x BB raise, and folds the raiser. He's now in second place and in middle position. Next hand he raises 4x BB and folds the table.

Big stack + obvious aggression = people are more likely to fold.

[Texas Pete]

Level 4 (50/100), 8 players.
Blinds have ~T800-1000 after posting.
Button has T558.

Button goes all-in!
I love this. I think I would do it with any 2.

Reasoning is this: whether you win the pot or not is not just your cards. It's also your stack. If you are ahead on the flop, you need to have enough T$ to fold people. If not, you are in bad shape.

If this guy plays at any time there will be T200 in the pot if he is lucky enough to get a heads-up. Otherwise there will be more in the pot and he won't be able to push anyone off.

The best thing to do is just push now against two random hands. He is making them risk a little more than half their stack if they call.

[citanul]

You are in trouble if you are finding 200 things to learn, and this is #2, since:

-> at least your explanation of what you mean is unclear
-> it is most likely true that using this as strategy will lose you money

winning an all in preflop, without seeing a flop, does not make people more likely to fold to your next raise on the next hand.

citanul

[Texas Pete]

You didn't mention the other two important points:
(1) He has a big stack
(2) It's early in the tournament.
So now I'm thinking this guy is an aggressive player, having putting it all on the line early on, and he has a lot of T$ to work with. I think there are some hands I would fold now to his raise, that I might play to someone elses raise.

The "immediately following the all-in" means that everyone just saw what happened and comes to the same conclusion about what kind of player he is.