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Old 09-01-2005, 02:04 AM
DarrenX DarrenX is offline
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Default Re: Who\'s with me? WARNING: UNCONVERTED!!

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QhTh, QhJh. AQo, AQs, AJs, AJo, and ATs could all work here too.
~Justin

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maybe I'm giving utg too much credit here in playing only pairs and AQ+ here for a limp/call. Of course, the cc by the other guy probably helped his call with some of the weaker hands you mentioned...
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Old 09-01-2005, 02:08 AM
Jurollo Jurollo is offline
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Default Re: Who\'s with me? WARNING: UNCONVERTED!!

If it is heads up you can tighten his range up a little. However, I think you are ahead far more than 75% but I would push my edge on the flop. Rather than having to guess on the turn.
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Old 09-01-2005, 03:13 AM
Apathy Apathy is offline
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Default Re: Who\'s with me? WARNING: UNCONVERTED!!

I push the turn for sure, and raise the flop quite often as well, there are quite a few draws available and you aren't getting away from this one by calling down.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:46 AM
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One bump for the day crowd... flame away [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:51 AM
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Default Re: Who\'s with me? WARNING: UNCONVERTED!!

I'd push the turn here

If he is drawing, you will only get the rest of his chips in the pot if he hits on the river. Might as well get them in the middle on the turn, while he is full of hope.

If he has you beat, I suspect you are calling the river anyway, so that doesn't really affect the outcome of the hand.

Push turn
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Old 09-01-2005, 12:22 PM
Prime Time Prime Time is offline
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Default Re: Who\'s with me? WARNING: UNCONVERTED!!

I don't mind your line since you have position.
You cannot get away from this hand in my opinion esp. this early in the tourny.
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Old 09-01-2005, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: Who\'s with me? WARNING: UNCONVERTED!!

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I'd push the turn here

If he is drawing, you will only get the rest of his chips in the pot if he hits on the river. Might as well get them in the middle on the turn, while he is full of hope.

If he has you beat, I suspect you are calling the river anyway, so that doesn't really affect the outcome of the hand.

Push turn

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I'd either pop the flop or use the above.

By calling the turn, what do you gain? You give him a free card if he's on a draw and you likely don't get any more money from him if he misses. If he makes his draw, he bets again and you likely call. He checks the river on a missed draw, you bet and he folds. At least if you pop the turn he may call on the draw and still miss. Obviously he may push on a missed draw but I doubt thats likely given your action throughout the hand.
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Old 09-01-2005, 03:47 PM
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I'd push the turn here

If he is drawing, you will only get the rest of his chips in the pot if he hits on the river. Might as well get them in the middle on the turn, while he is full of hope.

If he has you beat, I suspect you are calling the river anyway, so that doesn't really affect the outcome of the hand.

Push turn

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I'd either pop the flop or use the above.

By calling the turn, what do you gain? You give him a free card if he's on a draw and you likely don't get any more money from him if he misses. If he makes his draw, he bets again and you likely call. He checks the river on a missed draw, you bet and he folds. At least if you pop the turn he may call on the draw and still miss. Obviously he may push on a missed draw but I doubt thats likely given your action throughout the hand.

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I stated earlier the range of hands I had put him on, and didn't see a draw as a likely hand, especially how he was playing it.

In retrospect, I think the turn was where I needed to make my decision as to whether or not I wanted to play for my stack, and it should have been push or fold (Moo and others, you're right...) I felt trapped in the hand, but my buddy brought up a good point that it's probably a hand that I shouldn't be trying to get away from in the long run.

Thanks for the input. (Oh yeah, he had 99 for a full- well played, Villian... [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img])
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:20 PM
TakenItEasy TakenItEasy is offline
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Default Re: Who\'s with me? WARNING: UNCONVERTED!!

Unfortunately I read this post after you posted results but I honestly thought this had reeked of set or 2 pair.

Unless this is a low buy-in I would really have to discount anyone limping UTG with AQ or AJ. I could see limp/calling and leading flop with AT, A9s, TT, 99, KhQh. You are way behind with just about everything except KQh or just a bad player (still early in tounament). I would even have to discount a bluff here since he would have to give you credit for a big A.

Still a tough laydown so raise flop and fold to a reraise.
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