2 Hands Not Yet Simple To ME

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Sorry No reads, yes I am a beginner, I run acrros these types of situations a lot. In the first hand I am wondering is should I have smooth called the flop in order to get more bets in? In the second hand I was questioning my flop play as well as my agg thoughout the hand. Should I have been more worried about the flush? Should I ahve c/r the flop, r/r the river? Last ? as this is my first hand post how did I do?

Maybe as a bonus you could commit on how different reads my affect the play here. Thanks in advance for any and all comments.


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Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 6.16 BB

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, Button calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

[Stefan_K]

hand 1 you played it great, that is the best line its always boring to win a small pot with a great hand, but that happends occasionally. calling wouldn't have been better

hand 2 i would have played it the same, i might have 3bet the turn, but i think i like your way of playing the hand

wp

[Stoli7]

looking good with no reads

[GetThere1Time]

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hand 1 you played it great, that is the best line its always boring to win a small pot with a great hand, but that happends occasionally. calling wouldn't have been better

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Yeah why would we want two guys dumping money in to the pot with little/no outs? We almost always have the best hand here and certainly the best draw. Why not let the BB come in drawing super slim? We can still get our value from UTG when we raise the river.

[krishanleong]

wait till turn with hand 1.

Krishan

[me454555]

Hand 2, I woulda smoothcalled the flop and donked the turn. I think its very important to keep BB and UTG in the hand b/c they drawing pretty much dead. You've got the strait and 2nd nut flush draw why not build the pot and hope you can trap them for another bet on the turn

[RunDownHouse]

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hand 1 you played it great, that is the best line its always boring to win a small pot with a great hand, but that happends occasionally. calling wouldn't have been better

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I don't agree. Waiting is almost certainly better. You've most likely got the best hand and you've got a ton of outs for a redraw. You have so much equity you don't really care how many come along. Its not about "winning small pots," its about winning money.

In addition, one of those callers may pick up a flush draw if another spade hits and be willing to call two cold on the turn.

On hand two I 3bet the turn.

[aslowjoe]

Hand1 is likley so much better then your opponents I would smooth call the flop and raise the turn.

Hand2 lead out and donk the turn. Three bet if raised.

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Maybe as a bonus you could commit on how different reads my affect the play here

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90% of the time I believe these hands are standard plays against most players. Any reads here would be extreme.

Such in case 1 you knew BB almost always would see flop with any draw or pair regardless of seeing 1 or 2 and UTG is likely to three bet any bad A.

[Noodles]

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Yeah why would we want two guys dumping money in to the pot with little/no outs? We almost always have the best hand here and certainly the best draw. Why not let the BB come in drawing super slim? We can still get our value from UTG when we raise the river.

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totally! I raise on this flop with the hand OP has is daft,

[Monty Cantsin]

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Waiting is almost certainly better.

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It's close and I don't think either one is substantially better.

Waiting

- squeezes out an extra BB or so most of the time
- costs you the pot a tiny percentage of the time

Raising

- squeezes out an extra BB or so some of the time
- costs you an extra BB or so some of the time
- sets you up to win lots of extra bets once in a while
- costs you the pot never

I like raising.

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Maybe as a bonus you could commit on how different reads my affect the play here.

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Calling stations? Raise. Likes to go to war on the flop and slows down on big streets? Raise. Betting out obvious sign that he has no hand and is looking to fold? Wait. Betting out obvious sign that he currently has you beat? Raise (and take free card on turn.) Does your recent history with flop bettor lead him to believe that this could be a pissing match? Raise. Will he fold AA on the river if you cap every street? Raise and submit hand as an article to the 2+2 Internet Magazine.

/mc