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Old 12-12-2005, 01:00 AM
Scuba Chuck Scuba Chuck is offline
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Default Have I taken this folding thing too far?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t775)
SB (t785)
BB (t1970)
UTG (t775)
MP1 (t1395)
MP2 (t1835)
CO (t465)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t45</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls t45, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t125</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t770 (All-In)</font>, MP1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1000
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:03 AM
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Default Re: Have I taken this folding thing too far?

I don't think so, I think on this drawless flop you're usually hosed at the $30s after the 3-bet all-in.
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:09 AM
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Default Re: Have I taken this folding thing too far?

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I don't think so, I think on this drawless flop you're usually hosed at the $30s after the 3-bet all-in.

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I was thinking that a call might have been better afterward. But I think I kind of like the raise.
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: Have I taken this folding thing too far?

I play the hand like you did, but I call on the end. I think he has a worse J a lot. He wouldn't play a set that fast in the 800 chippers, and the same is usually true of two pair... he would however play JT that fast...
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:16 AM
gisb0rne gisb0rne is offline
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Default Re: Have I taken this folding thing too far?

Wait couldn't SB reraise like this with any jack and a pocket pair less than jacks in addition to his 2 pair/set? I would call in this spot. If you're not going to call here and bust the donks who reraise any jack, why did you bother playing AJ in the first place?
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:30 AM
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Wait couldn't SB reraise like this with any jack and a pocket pair less than jacks in addition to his 2 pair/set? I would call in this spot. If you're not going to call here and bust the donks who reraise any jack, why did you bother playing AJ in the first place?

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The thing I hate about this situation is that the aggressor comes from the blinds. Had it been another, I'd be more inclined to call. Or, maybe this thinking is wrong.
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:35 AM
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t775)
SB (t785)
BB (t1970)
UTG (t775)
MP1 (t1395)
MP2 (t1835)
CO (t465)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t45</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls t45, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t125</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t770 (All-In)</font>, MP1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1000

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Nice laydown Scuba. I would've donked this up. Why is it I feel I'm moving further and further from solid post flop play?

On a positive note, something I'm trying to get better at, villains hand pf, any 2, post flop, duh, set or 2 pair.
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:39 AM
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I like this post because personally, i think TPTK gets you in trouble a lot. I think a lot of the problem in this forum is everyone seems to think you MUST extract the max in EVERY situation. That is simply not true. I dont mind folding the best hand if I think I can find a better place later on and i have a healthy stack. Maybe a better question to help you deal with this is how did the rest of this sng turn out. I have been in situations like this where i let it go, and every once in a while i even let it go when i leave myself shortstacked, but i come back and win the sng. sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor.

How did the rest of this sng play out?
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:40 AM
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Nice laydown Scuba.

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Well, it helps that I have this huge aversion to AJ. LOL
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: Have I taken this folding thing too far?

Um, this is a bad fold. Villain has a worse J here a very large % of the time.

Think about this, if he had a monster on this RAGGGGY board, why would he lead? I would be much more happy with folding if he had checkraised you.

I think this is a HORRIBLE fold. People are giving away their money during the early levels, and you should be making these calls with TPTK all day on such a nice flop.
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