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12-12-2005, 05:17 PM
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88 on the button
Potty 2/4
At work so no hand history. SB~25/12-ish over a small sample. 2 limpers to me i raise 8h8s on the button. SB calls, BB calls, limpers call. 5 to the flop: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] EP limper bets, i raise, SB 3bets, limpers fold, i cap. sb calls. Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] sb bets, i call. River: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] sb bets, i raise intending to fold to a 3 bet. 
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#2
12-12-2005, 05:22 PM
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Re: 88 on the button
I don't know if I'd fold to a 3-bet on the river.
I'd say it's at least a call.
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#3
12-12-2005, 05:24 PM
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Re: 88 on the button
what is sb 3betting that we beat by the river?
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#4
12-12-2005, 05:46 PM
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Re: 88 on the button
I'd likely raise the turn, call if 3-bet, call a river bet U/I, raise if improved (obviously).
Given that hero called the turn, is there anything wrong with simply calling the river, rather than raising? If 3-bet, it looks to me hero almost has to fold (is sb seriously 3-betting anything we beat?), but I'd likely call (though I'm not sure I raise the river U/I so the situation wouldn't even come up if I take my call down line).
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#6
12-12-2005, 05:36 PM
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Re: 88 on the button
[ QUOTE ]
I think this river strategy ties in nicely with your loc. [/ QUOTE ] tis the season.
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#7
12-12-2005, 05:38 PM
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Re: 88 on the button
why raise the river and not the turn?
if were ahead, raising the turn charges draws, but then again we have to call a 3-bet because we most likely have outs if were behind, id probly end up calling a 3-bet here too, but i dont really see what dude could be 3-betting that we beat on the river i dont know, id raise the turn, but id like to hear your reasoning behind waiting till the river, maybe you think he folds a king on the turn?
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#8
12-12-2005, 05:44 PM
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Re: 88 on the button
You would have to be 94% sure you were beaten to fold on the river.
I raise the turn.
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#9
12-12-2005, 05:56 PM
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Re: 88 on the button
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why raise the river and not the turn? if were ahead, raising the turn charges draws, but then again we have to call a 3-bet because we most likely have outs if were behind, id probly end up calling a 3-bet here too, but i dont really see what dude could be 3-betting that we beat on the river i dont know, id raise the turn, but id like to hear your reasoning behind waiting till the river, maybe you think he folds a king on the turn? [/ QUOTE ] on the turn i would have to call a 3 bet. on the river i won't. i like the idea of raising the turn from the perspective that if i am behind i do have outs to improve and therefore i have some "suck out" equity. raising the river may be putting in more money than i have to with a dead hand, but i can fold to a 3 bet at that point. also river raises can scare better hands into only calling at times. also, i may actually have fold equity on the river if he put me on a single club initially seeing as how i slowed down after capping the flop, but then change his read because a river raise may smell like he has been slowrolled by a monster. so i chose to raise/fold because i think i am ahead often enough to get that extra bet in, i think my chances of folding a better hand may slightly exist, and primarily the scary board may deter a 3 bet from all but hands by which i am 100% beaten. i don't know if i liked it so thats why i posted it. i would like to hear some more thoughts.
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#10
12-12-2005, 05:42 PM
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Re: 88 on the button
sorry...but how do you fold with all the money in the pot? wouldn't many players with those stats play top two this way? even 8/10 or k/8 i could see...
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