Is Ken Warren actually a winning player?

[UATrewqaz]

Does this guy consistently win in limit hold em games? I ask because from what I hear all of his books are filled with misguided advice.

I happen to own "Winner's Guide to Texas Hold'em" (my first poker book, before I knew better)... my favorite little horrible excerpt...

this is taken from http://www.gocee.com/poker/war_rev.htm

"I'm just getting started here! On page 75, he tells you about a lesson he twice learned "the hard way." (Don't anticipate! Of course it was also the wrong way, but let me tell the story.) Hero has wired Aces (A-A), raises/reraises pre-flop to get his single opponent all-in, flop misses opponent and contains an Ace making hero trips versus absolutely nothing, then runner-runner appear to make quads or backdoor double gutshot straight. His conclusion is that he shouldn't have put in that last raise pre-flop, leaving opponent with enough chips for a bet, then when hero bets the flop, opponent correctly folds, and hero takes down the small pot. Yeah! Only, wait.... if it would have been a mistake for the opponent to call the flop bet, isn't that exactly the same as putting in the last raise pre-flop? And if the opponent turns out to be making a mistake, isn't that good - in the long run, of course? Wouldn't it therefore be a mistake for hero to overreact to the bad beat and leave weak opponents with more money than they deserve? Nah!"

Basically he has AA, raises and reraises a short stack leaving him hardly any chips after its capped.

Flop comes Axx and he bets and the small stack of course calls since he has all his chips in the pot, and villain shows 22.

Turn and river are both 2's giving his opponent quads and according to Warren he played it bad becaues "had he left the 22 some chips preflop, he just would have folded on the flop"

UH???? MORON?

I have a hard time believing this guy wins at high levels.

[jrz1972]

Remember though that Warren practices outstanding game selection by seeking out young players, players with tatoos, and off-duty casino employees.

(This was one of my first poker books too. Borders should have been held criminally liable for stocking Warren but not any 2+2 titles -- this was long before the poker craze).

Its funny you posted this because it too was my very first poker book.

[UATrewqaz]

I liked the fancy looking charts in the back. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

I'm gonna throw the book away tonight I guess... its taking up room on my already cramped bookshelf and I never plan on reading any part of it again.

[Lottery Larry]

"Only, wait.... if it would have been a mistake for the opponent to call the flop bet, isn't that exactly the same as putting in the last raise pre-flop?"

Actually, it isn't the same, is it? Isn't the flop call a much bigger mistake than the preflop call with the last chips? Once that flop comes, your odds of winning with deuces was much much worse than they were preflop.

Not that anyone can advocate playing that way with Aces (why not just limp preflop, then, and trap everyone with the best hand?) but technically he has a point... right?

[binions]

Winners Guide to Texas Holdem was my first poker book too. Took me almost 2 full years to unlearn that crap.

What I wouldn't have given to be started with Ed Miller's 2 books first.

[steamboatin]

Sell it on Ebay, it will help to increase the fish population.

I forgot what the subject was after being mesmerized by bouncing jugs for the last 3 min.

Oh yeah, Warren's book. Terrible.

[PJS]

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I forgot what the subject was after being mesmerized by bouncing jugs for the last 3 min.

Oh yeah, Warren's book. Terrible.

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Forget the book. Lets just start a new thread about the jugs! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[PJS]

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Sell it on Ebay, it will help to increase the fish population.

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Yes, I like your thinking [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]