How Many Outs?

mojobluesman · #1 12-12-2005, 06:07 PM

A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] overcards aren't worth much, but even the other 4 overcards can't be worth full outs.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (11.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero ?.

#2 12-12-2005, 06:09 PM

Assuming UTG+1 or MP2 doesn't already have a made flush ...

2 for remaining aces ... i'd say 1 for remaining undirty jacks (.5 each), 1 for a running straight .... 4 outs? maybe 3? Very thin +EV call if any ... if CO mucked I might consider continuing.

#3 12-12-2005, 06:16 PM

This may be a leak in my game, but I probably let this go. Seen too many people call raises with anything soooted to want to put any more money into this pot.

If you are going to play it I think you need to lead out here, or check raise MP2. I don't know that either play is going to get rid of As or Ks but I think you need to show some more aggression.

#4 12-12-2005, 06:18 PM

*grunch*

With this nasty flop, I give it 2 for the aces, given that someone does not already have the flush, and hmmmm maybe 1 for the jacks since they could potentially give someone a straight. All together Im giving this one 3 outs.

You are not exactly getting correct pot odds to call this one, since with 3 you will need around 14.5 and youre getting 13.5 on your money, I would probably just fold this flop and move on to the next hand... But it is a hard decision...

mojobluesman · #5 12-12-2005, 06:22 PM

I do tend to lead out in overcard situations, but this one looked too tough.

#6 12-13-2005, 12:56 AM

For me with 5 players in the hand whatever it is its not enough.

I'll give it a generous 2 for backdoor str8 and overs but I don't like it at all. I'm out on the flop. The biggest concern is you are reverse dominated with a big pot. You are just feeding it dead money and the big pot might keep you in drawing to your very weak outs.

#7 12-13-2005, 12:59 AM

Leading overs are fine..but on this flop you better be willing to drop it to aggression.

#8 12-13-2005, 01:29 AM

With that many players in the hand, its an easy fold. Although you may outs to the ace, your opponents have more outs to the flush draw.

#9 12-13-2005, 01:54 AM

Its not even worth counting them, just automuck and alt-tab =P

PokerSlut · #10 12-13-2005, 02:12 AM

I fold this without much thought. You've got 4 outs max, and plenty of redraws against you even if you catch one on the turn and you aren't already beat.