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Old 12-12-2005, 12:10 AM
joeski19 joeski19 is offline
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Default Unsure of my line with QQ

BB is 19% VPIP 11% PFR 2% AGR after 133 hands
UTG+1 31% VPIP 4% PFR 1% AGR after 90 hands
UTG+2 78%VPIP 13% PFR 1% AGR after 185 hands He's the main reason I'm at the table. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero ??

Bet or take a free ride?
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:13 AM
cold_cash cold_cash is offline
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Default Re: Unsure of my line with QQ

Bet and fold.

I'd also cap pre-flop.
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:45 AM
tyler_cracker tyler_cracker is offline
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Default Re: Unsure of my line with QQ

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Bet and fold.

I'd also cap pre-flop.

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what he said. You can't give a free card on this turn when you could well have the best hand.
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:52 AM
PokerSlut PokerSlut is offline
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Default Re: Unsure of my line with QQ

*grunch*


Why didn't you cap preflop? There only 2 hands that beat you and you are up against 3 other players. Even if you are behind (a big if...there's a decent range of hands that BB will 3-bet with here), there is still dead money out there that you need to get into the pot.

Considering that you called, I bet the turn and fold to a check-raise. If called on the turn, I check behind, and probably fold to a bet into me on the river unless I spike a Q.
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:57 AM
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Default Re: Unsure of my line with QQ

grunch,

cap pre-flop. Bet the turn, fold to c/r.
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:00 AM
joeski19 joeski19 is offline
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Default Re: Unsure of my line with QQ

Everyones capping PF with QQ ? I've done it before, but I think I have MUBS with the way I've been running. So I didn't this time. I should take a few days off...
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:05 AM
NobodysFreak NobodysFreak is offline
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Default Re: Unsure of my line with QQ

Cap it pre-flop.

Flop is fine.

That's a crappy turn card for you. Check behind. Call a river bet unless you improve. I like it more then bet folding the turn here. We pay the same price and we get the river card plus a showdown.
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:08 AM
Eeegah Eeegah is offline
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Default Re: Unsure of my line with QQ

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Everyones capping PF with QQ ? I've done it before, but I think I have MUBS with the way I've been running. So I didn't this time. I should take a few days off...

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QQ is a mandatory cap. JJ is usually a cap, and I honestly don't know when it's not a cap [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:08 AM
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Think of it in terms of pot equity. There are 4 players and only 2 possible hands that are ahead of QQ preflop. QQ has a HUGE overlay over your opponents' possible range of hands. You *need* to cap it here.
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:37 AM
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Default Re: Unsure of my line with QQ

Not with two diamonds on the board and a third player in the mix.
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