The Dreaded Showdown, I hate wannabe pros

TheCroShow · #1 04-20-2005, 11:14 AM

I'm getting sick of the Hollywood [censored] in the game I host. 3 or 4 guys see the hand all the way to the end, all 4 are unfamiliar with who has to show their hand first so there is a significant delay before I have to chime in, "Hey A-hole, you bet the river, you have to show." A-hole responds, "OH! I have nothin! Rolls over his Ace high." The other 3 sit there with a stupid look on their face, Ok retard you were the first to call you show next 'Oh umm...I had bottom pair is it good?" I don't know let's find out! Other 2 sit there confused. Ok gasbag you show next! "OH umm...i missed my flush." Last player folds in disgust and says "WTF??!?! Bottom pair beat me??" Then he mucks em.

I want to introduce a "See the Showdown See the Cards" rule here and it has not been welcomed with open arms. haha This kinda crap slows down my game, and some levels go by with very few hands because of incidents like this.

One thing I wonder, how does the rule work when...k...I know there is a rule in place somewhere, where any player can request to see a player's mucked hand. I remember reading a 2+2 post about a player that kept asking to see hands, and one guy purposely fired his cards into a shuffled muck and there was an uproar over that.

Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only hope.

P.S. the thing that makes me laugh is we are not playing for big money here, the money is almost insignificant.

(And why can I check the player's cards in Hand History for Party Poker, even if he mucked em?? There has to be some kind of rule for that, help me!)

Lottery Larry · #2 04-20-2005, 11:50 AM

Are you looking to piss off your home game players? This is a typical failing of home games, don't go so far off of your rocker about it.

"...I know there is a rule in place somewhere, where any player can request to see a player's mucked hand. "
The typical casino cardroom rule is, anyone at the table can ask to see a hand that was mucked during the showdown, assuming that the hand called the final bets.
However, this rule is primarily intended to curb collusion, not to use in order to irritate someone or take revenge against them because YOU are irritated. Seeing their cards rarely gives you valuable information and usually backfires.
Players are allowed to muck their cards if they choose to, but you could insist on seeing the mucked hand. I would advise strongly that you DON'T ask to see the hands, unless you suspect something fishy going on between two or more players.
You won't gain as much as you lose by forcing this issue IMHO.

jojobinks · #3 04-20-2005, 01:57 PM

yeah, don't do that...but DO make it clear who shows. it seems like they don't know. if it's made clear, and reinforced a few times, these situations should run themselves. if they don't figure it out, at least you have a bunch of fish to play with, eh?

if that isn't what you're after, go play the wpt, baby. that way you can be the fish.

27offsuit · #4 04-20-2005, 02:11 PM

You should smoke some BC bud and chill the fu*k out....

warewulf · #5 04-20-2005, 02:34 PM

It's your job as a host to make things move as quickly as possible. Definitely make the first person show, then if anyone beats him they can show or muck. I only make someone show if the person in on the hand wants to see because he paid.

I also have a show one, show all rule.

I do find it necessary to constantly bug people to shuffle the deck, etc. Just don't get too pissed off at people or you might start losing players.

KneeCo · #6 04-20-2005, 02:41 PM

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I want to introduce a "See the Showdown See the Cards" rule here and it has not been welcomed with open arms.

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It's my understanding that this is a rule, but calling for it under anything but exceptional circumstances is bad etiquette.

smoore · #7 04-20-2005, 02:47 PM

They'll learn eventually. I just say "OK, you got called, you have to show 'em." If the bettor doesn't get it I point. I announce the hand and then say, "Can you beat that?" to the next player. Put up with it, they don't sound like the sharpest tools in the shed ($$).

TheCroShow · #8 04-20-2005, 03:22 PM

For the next two games I am going to go over the rules with everyone to make sure they know how it's supposed to go down. I do induce the action and keep things going, sometimes I feel like a control freak/jerk when I'm constantly telling people "OK you turn over your cards, now you, now you." if after 2 games it's still slowing things down, i will change the showdown and will force each player to flip immediately

It's only bothering me because it's beginning to feel like the casino experience. I remember playing a 3/6 game and every showdown the fish at the table didn't wanna show their cards and it slowed things right down.

I'm not implying there is any collusion going on, I'm just interested in keeping things moving along as there have been complaints that the game slows down and we see too few hands per level. (20 minute blinds)

The guys I play with are good guys. All of us are friends, and hang out together outside of poker.

27 Offsuit, already beat you to the punch with the BC stuff. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] 4/20 today BAY-BEE

Drunken Monkey · #9 04-20-2005, 04:29 PM

I don't what is worse: your situation or mine. At my home games the people in the showdown like to play "guess what I have." I don't think they do it intentionally, but it happens quite frequently.

Lets just say player A and B make it to the show down on a board of Ac Kd 3s 4s Qs.
Player A(who bet and was called): Man, do you have the ace?
Player B: No, but aren't you betting the straight.
Player A: I don't have a striaght, but I could have swore you got the flush on the river after you said you didn't have aces.
Player B: No, I was afraid of the flush too.
Me: Guys just flip over your cards and stop guessing.
Player A: Oh, I have kings(flips over a king)
Player B: You win.(mucks)
Me: What is your other card, A?
Player A: why?
Me: Because you need to show it.(player A shows it.)
Next hand. Rinse, Lather, and repeat.

ledavatar · #10 04-20-2005, 09:14 PM

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I'm getting sick of the Hollywood [censored] in the game I host. 3 or 4 guys see the hand all the way to the end, all 4 are unfamiliar with who has to show their hand first so there is a significant delay before I have to chime in, "Hey A-hole, you bet the river, you have to show." A-hole responds, "OH! I have nothin! Rolls over his Ace high." The other 3 sit there with a stupid look on their face, Ok retard you were the first to call you show next 'Oh umm...I had bottom pair is it good?" I don't know let's find out! Other 2 sit there confused. Ok gasbag you show next! "OH umm...i missed my flush." Last player folds in disgust and says "WTF??!?! Bottom pair beat me??" Then he mucks em.

I want to introduce a "See the Showdown See the Cards" rule here and it has not been welcomed with open arms. haha This kinda crap slows down my game, and some levels go by with very few hands because of incidents like this.

One thing I wonder, how does the rule work when...k...I know there is a rule in place somewhere, where any player can request to see a player's mucked hand. I remember reading a 2+2 post about a player that kept asking to see hands, and one guy purposely fired his cards into a shuffled muck and there was an uproar over that.

Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only hope.

P.S. the thing that makes me laugh is we are not playing for big money here, the money is almost insignificant.

(And why can I check the player's cards in Hand History for Party Poker, even if he mucked em?? There has to be some kind of rule for that, help me!)

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What, you think you're the only one who has to tolerate this at home games? Chill out man, it's a home game with little at stake - it is in the end a social game. If you want to make money at poker (Who's the wannabe pro here?), just start up partypoker or hit your local 24hr cardroom, alright?