A8o isolation from the BB

ReadyEddie · #1 11-17-2005, 01:37 PM

SB is 52/20 over aggresive and has made some pretty ridiculous bluffs. 52/20 over 96 hands

Mp3 is also a fish, 52/3 over 58 hands

Co is an even bigger fish 73/0 over 33 hands.

Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12.00 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP3 folds, CO calls, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (12.00 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB calls.

River: (14.00 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 15.00 BB.

Comments? too frisky PF?

paperboyNC · #2 11-17-2005, 01:45 PM

Well since your question is about pre-flop, you should have ended the hand with your 3bet.

Even though the SB is laggy, he is probably still smart enough to know that raising from the SB against 2 callers requires something of a hand.

All 3 players have VPIP over 50% so your 3bet isn't likely to get anyone out. Just call pre-flop. 3bet = spewing chips.

krimson · #3 11-17-2005, 01:54 PM

I really really dislike this pre-flop move. All the limpers are fishy, and they're not likely to fold, so dead money is not an argument. Your position relative the aggressor after the flop would have allowed you to face the field with 2 bets and hopefully get it HU. Your putting in 3 bets and going multiway with a weak multi-way hand, no straight or flush value, top pair leaves you with a weak kicker, etc etc etc.

If we pretend pre-flop was a misclick, the rest of the hand is pretty good. I would probably call the flop 3-bet, and then raise his turn bet to try and get rid of the CO.

olavfo · #4 11-17-2005, 02:18 PM

An isolation raise against SB won't work here since 2 opponents have already called.

So you put in 2 extra bets preflop, out of position with an easily dominated semi-trash hand against 3 opponents. It doesn't sound like a good plan to me.

molawn2mo · #5 11-17-2005, 02:30 PM

I fold this preflop 100% of the time.

My thinking is that even if I hit either of my pairs I am never comfortable understanding where I am at. Therefore, even under a good scenario I am in the dark, why do I want to voluntarily take this position?

Flopping 2 pair is not a thought and ought not be used to justify entering the pot preflop.

paperboyNC · #6 11-17-2005, 02:40 PM

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I fold this preflop 100% of the time.

My thinking is that even if I hit either of my pairs I am never comfortable understanding where I am at. Therefore, even under a good scenario I am in the dark, why do I want to voluntarily take this position?

Flopping 2 pair is not a thought and ought not be used to justify entering the pot preflop.

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You should reconsider. Instead of just avoiding marginal post-flop situations, work hard on your postflop play.

Actualy if you aren't comfortable maybe just avoid them..

SippinSoma · #7 11-17-2005, 03:47 PM

52/20s don't know how to play poker. However, I don't think you can fold out the other fish. I call.

molawn2mo · #8 11-17-2005, 04:25 PM

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I fold this preflop 100% of the time.

My thinking is that even if I hit either of my pairs I am never comfortable understanding where I am at. Therefore, even under a good scenario I am in the dark, why do I want to voluntarily take this position?

Flopping 2 pair is not a thought and ought not be used to justify entering the pot preflop.

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You should reconsider. Instead of just avoiding marginal post-flop situations, work hard on your postflop play.

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I was hoping/expecting that someone would make this point. I think that it's a correct statement, in general; that is, the more comfortable with our game we are, the more the likelihood that we will venture out into more complex, more uncomfortable situations.

The situation, as presented, seems to offer us a crapshoot in that our opponents are on such a wider variety of hands that we can not effectively use our presumably superior skills to outmaneuver them. Not that I am a no-limit player, but I've heard/read the comment that a superior player will forego a seemingly large edge presently because the consequences of losing (all-in being the most severe) are still not worth the risk. That is to say, it may better to forego a present 60/40 allin in order to exploit a perceived 70/30 skill advantage with less risk.

Now, obviously, we play limit so the extreme risk is not present but, in the instant case, the variance is quite high, imho, and to avoid it is not necessarily bad.

ReadyEddie · #9 11-17-2005, 09:40 PM

Yeah in honesty i dont think i noticed the limpers stats when i did this as i was just isolating this guy pretty liberaly at this point in the session.

if the 2 limpers are TAGs is the play good then? or still too fancy?

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Flopping 2 pair is not a thought and ought not be used to justify entering the pot preflop.

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I never said it was a thought i just posted it in case somebody wanted to make an argument about any other street.

pokernicus · #10 11-17-2005, 09:57 PM

Unless you're pretty sure that you can get the limpers to fold, I don't like the raise in the BB.

Post flop seems OK to me. Looks like SB might have had some type of a busted flush draw. CO's play makes little sense. He's willing to call two bets cold on the flop and with a single turn big bet just folds. (Not to mention that most reasonable draws have the right odds to call.)