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12-16-2005, 04:37 AM
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($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 ) Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 ) Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 ) Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 ) Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 ) Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 ) Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 ) Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 ) Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 ) Level:3 Blinds(25/50) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ] nineballer9 raises [100]. Fat_Loser8 folds. AJGluteia ...? 
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#2
12-16-2005, 04:45 AM
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Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
Oh, that's you. I was wondering.
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12-16-2005, 04:48 AM
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Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
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Seat 5 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 ) Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 ) Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 ) Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 ) Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 ) Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 ) Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 ) Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 ) Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 ) Level:3 Blinds(25/50) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ] nineballer9 raises [100]. Fat_Loser8 folds. AJGluteia ...? [/ QUOTE ] Shove.
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#4
12-16-2005, 04:52 AM
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Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
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[ QUOTE ] Seat 5 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 ) Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 ) Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 ) Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 ) Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 ) Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 ) Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 ) Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 ) Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 ) Level:3 Blinds(25/50) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ] nineballer9 raises [100]. Fat_Loser8 folds. AJGluteia ...? [/ QUOTE ] Shove. [/ QUOTE ] You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno.
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#5
12-16-2005, 04:56 AM
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Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Seat 5 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 ) Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 ) Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 ) Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 ) Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 ) Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 ) Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 ) Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 ) Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 ) Level:3 Blinds(25/50) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ] nineballer9 raises [100]. Fat_Loser8 folds. AJGluteia ...? [/ QUOTE ] Shove. [/ QUOTE ] You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, well the alternatives are- Flat call and invite more people behind you to call Raise a smaller amount, putting about 1/3rd of your stack in the middle and hope to not get pushed off the best hand. Fold JJ to a single minraise.
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#6
12-16-2005, 05:09 AM
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Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Seat 5 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 ) Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 ) Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 ) Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 ) Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 ) Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 ) Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 ) Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 ) Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 ) Level:3 Blinds(25/50) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ] nineballer9 raises [100]. Fat_Loser8 folds. AJGluteia ...? [/ QUOTE ] Shove. [/ QUOTE ] You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, well the alternatives are- Flat call and invite more people behind you to call Raise a smaller amount, putting about 1/3rd of your stack in the middle and hope to not get pushed off the best hand. Fold JJ to a single minraise. [/ QUOTE ] I don't like any of these to be sure but I am feeling like folding might be the lesser of all evils.
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#7
12-16-2005, 05:10 AM
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Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Seat 5 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 ) Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 ) Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 ) Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 ) Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 ) Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 ) Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 ) Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 ) Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 ) Level:3 Blinds(25/50) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ] nineballer9 raises [100]. Fat_Loser8 folds. AJGluteia ...? [/ QUOTE ] Shove. [/ QUOTE ] You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, well the alternatives are- Flat call and invite more people behind you to call Raise a smaller amount, putting about 1/3rd of your stack in the middle and hope to not get pushed off the best hand. Fold JJ to a single minraise. [/ QUOTE ] I don't like any of these to be sure but I am feeling like folding might be the lesser of all evils. [/ QUOTE ] WOW...
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#8
12-16-2005, 04:56 AM
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Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
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You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno. [/ QUOTE ] Well, you're getting a little short early on and I think that even against an UTG min-raise, you're ahead of his hand range. Also, I don't think that this is a spot you wanna fold, and it's not a spot you want to play OOP against 6 opponents, so I think that a push to isolate UTG is the best bet.
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#9
12-16-2005, 05:07 AM
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Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
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[ QUOTE ] You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno. [/ QUOTE ] Well, you're getting a little short early on and I think that even against an UTG min-raise, you're ahead of his hand range. Also, I don't think that this is a spot you wanna fold, and it's not a spot you want to play OOP against 6 opponents, so I think that a push to isolate UTG is the best bet. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that I'm likely ahead of his range, but a push is a big overbet, so I am worried he will fold most of the hands I beat, except AK and perhaps TT. If he's raising with 88+, AQ+, and calls with TT+, AK...even assuming no one behind me picks up QQ+.... 12 times i pick up 175 17.63 times i win 960 23.37 times i lose 885 and bust... for a net loss of about 30 chips. and there's an 8% or so chance that someone behind me has picked up QQ+.
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#10
12-16-2005, 05:43 AM
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Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
Take this for what it's worth from someone who plays the 33s and below:
The simplest answer is that I can't see folding here and calling and pricing in further callers, possibly to give up the best hand post flop is not attractive either. IMO, you have a ton of FE by pushing. I don't know if this is true for the 55s but I've been noticing alot more of this mini-raising crap from UTG starting on level 3 recently. His range is WAY looser than you are giving him credit for, I believe. As for pushing and running into QQ+ behind you, I think that's just a chance you have to take. Stuff happens. In this spot, pushing JJ is almost automatic for me against a mini-raise. (Of course I have to again place the disclaimer that I play 33s and below. But judging from some of the hands I've seen posted, I don't think that my guess that we are often way ahead of UTG even in a 55 is way off.)
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