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Old 06-17-2005, 03:35 PM
Lloyd Lloyd is offline
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Here's a hand from Harrington on Hold Em Volume II where I'm not sure if I entirely agree with Dan's analysis and conclusions. If you have a copy of HOH II please don't include Dan's comments here until people have a chance to respond.

Major tournament. Sixty players remain and 30 get paid.

Chip count:

Hero: T37000 (top 10 in tourney)
Villain: T11200

Blinds: T150/300/50ante (9-handed)

You are second to act. UTG folds. You have A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and raise to T1200. Everyone folds to villain in cutoff who raises to T5000 (leaving T6200 in stack). Folded back to you.

What do you do and why?
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Old 06-17-2005, 03:43 PM
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My instinct is push. I won't get my HOH until next week so I'll have to wait until then to find out if I'm right. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Old 06-17-2005, 03:59 PM
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My instinct is push. I won't get my HOH until next week so I'll have to wait until then to find out if I'm right. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Instinct is great. But why?
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Old 06-17-2005, 03:45 PM
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Push, knowing that I will get a call, and figuring myself as, at worst, slightly less than even money against the hands that villian would make this move with (it doesn't say anything about a read).

You also have a chance to take your chip stack to, presumably, tops in the tournament, and certainly tops at your table. And, if you lose, you still have loads of breathing room with respect to the blinds.

This is a definite push for me.
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Old 06-17-2005, 03:47 PM
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I'd say push. I'm going to check out what Dan says... He's probably right [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 06-17-2005, 04:00 PM
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I'd say push. I'm going to check out what Dan says... He's probably right [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Again, explain your reasoning. There is no right or wrong answer here. It's all about the thought process.
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:50 PM
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With AK you want to see all the cards, so getting all in pre-flop is good. Plus you are out of position and going all in negates that as well. You're against a short stack so you can't do too much damage to your own stack.
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Old 06-17-2005, 07:14 PM
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With AK you want to see all the cards, so getting all in pre-flop is good. Plus you are out of position and going all in negates that as well. You're against a short stack so you can't do too much damage to your own stack.

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stop n go lets you see all 5 too, fwiw
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Old 06-17-2005, 07:34 PM
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hmm, true, thanks.
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Old 06-17-2005, 07:54 PM
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With AK you want to see all the cards, so getting all in pre-flop is good. Plus you are out of position and going all in negates that as well. You're against a short stack so you can't do too much damage to your own stack.

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stop n go lets you see all 5 too, fwiw

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The more I think about it, if I were to play this hand (and I'm still leaning towards a fold absent any reads or any history of my own table image), I would stop-n-go rather than push PF.

I expect to be called if I push here.

If I miss and he has QQ/JJ (maybe TT), he would be getting my 11,000 chips anyway. If I miss and he also has AK, he might fold.

If I hit and he has QQ/JJ, he might fold. If I hit and he has AK, we'll split the pot.

In a major tournament, I don't put him on a much wider range than this. AQs is possible, I suppose.

I could be wrong, of course. In an online tournament, I would play this hand. I bubbled out of last week's 200K when my raise UTG (just below avg. stack, AKs) was pushed from the button (avg. stack). He turned over AT.

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