Bad bet on river? Flopped bottom two

#1 12-12-2005, 04:48 PM

***** Hand History for Game 3189195499 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 12, 15:28:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 65303 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: wegl86 ( $332.92 )
Seat 3: primaguy ( $142.72 )
Seat 1: HERO ( $160.85 )
Seat 4: Gatorspade ( $79 )
Seat 5: joggan ( $141.05 )
Seat 6: Akumila ( $85.05 )
joggan posts small blind [$0.50].
Akumila posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 5c 7s ]
HERO calls [$1].
wegl86 folds.
primaguy folds.
Gatorspade raises [$4].
joggan calls [$3.50].
Akumila folds.
HERO calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, 7d, 5h ]
joggan bets [$5].
HERO calls [$5].
Gatorspade folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
joggan bets [$20].
HERO raises [$50].
joggan calls [$30].
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
joggan checks.
HERO bets [$50].
joggan calls [$50].

Should I have just checked this river, pot bet it, or value bet it like i did? Thanks for the relpies.
Sam

PoBoy321 · #2 12-12-2005, 04:51 PM

Read the FAQ and use the converter next time.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Hero ($160.85)
MP ($332.92)
CO ($142.72)
Button ($79)
SB ($141.05)
BB ($85.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero calls $1, 2 folds, Button raises to $4, SB (poster) calls $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($13) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5, Button folds.

Turn: ($23) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero raises to $50, SB calls $30.

River: ($123) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $50, SB calls $50.

Final Pot: $223

Raise the flop. As played, check behind on the river.

DJ Sensei · #3 12-12-2005, 04:57 PM

first of all, i'll just ignore the preflop calling issue, i think the post-flop play is more important (just look at the sizes of bets on respective streets). but i wouldnt be surprised if most people fuss at you about it.

in any case, you've found yourself in a very nice situation on the flop. Bottom 2 on this board, in a raised pot, is a great flop. However, just calling a bet here is not great. In fact, its bad. If somebody has AK/AQ, they are now drawing to catch you (but, they don't know it). Raise this flop substantially, as many, many turn or river cards could be bad for you. Additionally, if villain has KK-JJ or some other pair, he's not going to pay you off much anyhow with the ace on the board. So raise the flop big.

Turn: the raise here is fine (although it should have come earlier) however, AT will now stack you, and AK/AQ/AJ might slow down some, as there are now more apparent hands that beat them.

River: given previous action, a river value bet here is fine, expect to get paid off by AK/AQ. Fold to a raise, obviously.

#4 12-12-2005, 05:08 PM

Sorry about the converter but it wasn't working for me.

Allinlife · #5 12-12-2005, 05:25 PM

take out the word 'texas' in your HH and it should work fine.

fold pre-> aint fun playing such hands OOP..often leads to some stupid FPS stuff

raise flop-> don't slowplay bottom 2

river is okay.. Ax will look you up all day