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Old 07-05-2005, 02:24 PM
Mempho Mempho is offline
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I obviously need to do more of this. I inherently know that winning players on here with higher PFRs are not juicing it up every time with QJ.

I've been messing with different blind steal combos, but they have not worked as well as I thought.

Onto the situational raises behind a limper, I wonder what it is you are looking for. A high "fold to flop bet + turn bet" percentage? A VPIP high enough to indicate that you're hand is still the best even though it's not that good?

If I had to guess, I would guess that you are looking for someone who folds too much with equity and is easy to read...aka, weak-tight and not someone who goes too far with his hands.

I am not an expert on this. I used to play loose-passive games at the casino and these types of raises were useless. Now, that I'm in a more aggressive environment (and my results only hovering around 1BB/100), I'm trying to explore new avenues.

My WTSD% is around 33 with a 52 win rate right now. I haven't run all the well...but I know there has to be more to it than that.

What I'm seeing right now on the Party games is that these places have to be the absolute worst games for a weak-tight player to play in. These guys are getting exploited on every deal and every street.

I'm not weak-tight, but I'm a lot closer to it than I'd like to be. The players just don't stay "in line" in these games, and therein lies the problem. You're going to get tested on every street.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:32 PM
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vpip 17.29


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This surprises me more than anything.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:36 PM
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why?
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:42 PM
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why?

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For a player with BK's postflop skills, I just assumed that he'd be closer to 20. My impression may be skewed, however, by the fact that there has been a movement toward more Laggish behavior in the SS forum of late. I thought "all the cool kids" were at least 20 (I used to get flamed for being around 15.5 [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]) Perhaps the 30 games and up play much differently.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:50 PM
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20 is not a good place to be in our games...been there and done that...in fact, it's probably worse than 25 for reasons that would take this thread off topic.
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Old 07-05-2005, 03:29 PM
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My impression may be skewed, however, by the fact that there has been a movement toward more Laggish behavior in the SS forum of late. I thought "all the cool kids" were at least 20.

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The SS "cool kids" add -EV hands for the sake of imitating their high vpip peers who play in games with more favorable rake and/or blind structures. The good players with vpip>20 play at many shorthanded tables.
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Old 07-05-2005, 04:00 PM
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My impression may be skewed, however, by the fact that there has been a movement toward more Laggish behavior in the SS forum of late. I thought "all the cool kids" were at least 20.

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The SS "cool kids" add -EV hands for the sake of imitating their high vpip peers who play in games with more favorable rake and/or blind structures. The good players with vpip>20 play at many shorthanded tables.

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When I filtered my stats for >7 players my VPIP dropped below 20. I can't remember what it was but I think it's more like 18ish.
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Old 07-05-2005, 04:13 PM
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Its been a while since I've played SS, but I'm pretty sure that as a skilled player in a loose-passive game full of idiots you can have a VPIP > 20 without playing losing hands.
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Old 07-05-2005, 04:16 PM
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You are correct on this.
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Old 07-05-2005, 06:22 PM
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why?

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For a player with BK's postflop skills, I just assumed that he'd be closer to 20. My impression may be skewed, however, by the fact that there has been a movement toward more Laggish behavior in the SS forum of late. I thought "all the cool kids" were at least 20 (I used to get flamed for being around 15.5 [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]) Perhaps the 30 games and up play much differently.

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I remember when James282 was playing a lot in the old 30 game his VPIP was barely over 16.
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