San Jose trying to run poker out of town.... - Page 2

Analyst · #11 07-14-2005, 02:46 PM

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There are no right wingers in San Jose. The whole Bay Area is boringly monotonic when it comes to politics and overall somewhere to the left of the former Soviet Union.

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You live in the South Bay, Nightwish?

Analyst · #12 07-14-2005, 02:57 PM

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good, run these shams out of town. there is absouletely no possible way they need to rake 50% of what they take. if theyre gonna regulate the casinos and put restrictions on them it will cost more in rake to play in their games. and they already rake far far far more than any other casino ive been to. im really really done with bay 101s hilarious rake schedule, ill sit here and play online instead, until tahoe this weekend [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

rj

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Rake is $4 - this seems fairly standard and (based on some quick web searching) even lower than some of the other major cardrooms, and there's no jackpot drop as well.

The opportunity cost of running a cardroom in San Jose is also very high. There was a recent article in the Merc about how the majority of bowling alleys have closed because the real estate was much more valuable used in other ways - a $4 rake in San Jose doesn't go as far as a $4 rake in Des Moines.

AngusThermopyle · #13 07-14-2005, 03:15 PM

eliminate wagers placed by non-players, also known as back-line betting.

As another poster replied, this has to do with the "Asian/California" games, Pai Gow, XYZ Blackjack, etc. The two clubs in town have 40 tables each, about 22 poker, the rest the "Asian/California" games.
This regulation would kill those games, which drop a lot more per table/hr than poker.

The restriction on hours would not devistate the clubs. The "no backlining" might.

Biggest push for the controls has come from the local Asian community, specifically the Vietnamese community, that has growing political clout.

Note: "Asian/California" games...most call them Asian, because they are related to true Asian games (Pai Gow tiles etc) and because, frankly, most of the players are Asian. They are also called "California" because 1) PC and 2) they use the "California style of bank", ie a rotating Bank instead of the house banking the game.

AngusThermopyle · #14 07-14-2005, 03:23 PM

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Rake is $4 - this seems fairly standard and (based on some quick web searching) even lower than some of the other major cardrooms, and there's no jackpot drop as well.

The opportunity cost of running a cardroom in San Jose is also very high. There was a recent article in the Merc about how the majority of bowling alleys have closed because the real estate was much more valuable used in other ways - a $4 rake in San Jose doesn't go as far as a $4 rake in Des Moines.

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$4 every pot that sees a flop. A $7 pot in a $3/$6 game gets raked $4.
Pretty brutal at the lower limits or if there is no action at the table.

KornGeek · #15 07-14-2005, 03:47 PM

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There are no right wingers in San Jose. The whole Bay Area is boringly monotonic when it comes to politics and overall somewhere to the left of the former Soviet Union.

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You live in the South Bay, Nightwish?

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I've lived in the Bay Area my whole life, and I have to admit that Nightwish is pretty accurate with his claim.

PITTM · #16 07-14-2005, 04:39 PM

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Rake is $4 - this seems fairly standard and (based on some quick web searching) even lower than some of the other major cardrooms, and there's no jackpot drop as well.

The opportunity cost of running a cardroom in San Jose is also very high. There was a recent article in the Merc about how the majority of bowling alleys have closed because the real estate was much more valuable used in other ways - a $4 rake in San Jose doesn't go as far as a $4 rake in Des Moines.

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$4 every pot that sees a flop. A $7 pot in a $3/$6 game gets raked $4.
Pretty brutal at the lower limits or if there is no action at the table.

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thank you. this is my point. the pot being raked 4 dollars per hand no matter what is an absolute joke at 3/6 or 6/12. youll get pots that are smaller than the rake sometimes. THIS is why it is a sham. the only time ive played their tournaments i got knocked out 12th AK vs A4 all in preflop when they paid 10. dissapointing...

rj

Analyst · #17 07-14-2005, 04:49 PM

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$4 every pot that sees a flop. A $7 pot in a $3/$6 game gets raked $4.
Pretty brutal at the lower limits or if there is no action at the table.

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Good point - I'd forgotten that many cardrooms take a 10% rake up to the max vs. Bay101/GC's fixed $4 on any flop. This is pretty bad for the 2/4 and 3/6 games where a 10% rake often wouldn't hit $4. Not as big an issue at higher limits, but a pain nonetheless.

Analyst · #18 07-14-2005, 05:01 PM

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There are no right wingers in San Jose. The whole Bay Area is boringly monotonic when it comes to politics and overall somewhere to the left of the former Soviet Union.

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You live in the South Bay, Nightwish?

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I've lived in the Bay Area my whole life, and I have to admit that Nightwish is pretty accurate with his claim.

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I'm certainly not disputing Nightwish's contention that the Bay Area is quite liberal overall, but there's a big, big difference between San Jose and, say, a Berkeley or Santa Cruz or even San Francisco. The SJ Merc, liberal as it is, manages to find a pretty wide spread of viewpoints to publish in its Op-Ed pages, both from local readers as well as columnists.

PITTM · #19 07-14-2005, 05:07 PM

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There are no right wingers in San Jose. The whole Bay Area is boringly monotonic when it comes to politics and overall somewhere to the left of the former Soviet Union.

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You live in the South Bay, Nightwish?

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I've lived in the Bay Area my whole life, and I have to admit that Nightwish is pretty accurate with his claim.

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I'm certainly not disputing Nightwish's contention that the Bay Area is quite liberal overall, but there's a big, big difference between San Jose and, say, a Berkeley or Santa Cruz or even San Francisco. The SJ Merc, liberal as it is, manages to find a pretty wide spread of viewpoints to publish in its Op-Ed pages, both from local readers as well as columnists.

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no, youre wrong, there are NO conservatives in san jose. except i know 5 people from san jose and 2 are conservatives. my sample size is a bit too small, but you get my point.

rj

PITTM · #20 07-14-2005, 05:10 PM

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$4 every pot that sees a flop. A $7 pot in a $3/$6 game gets raked $4.
Pretty brutal at the lower limits or if there is no action at the table.

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Good point - I'd forgotten that many cardrooms take a 10% rake up to the max vs. Bay101/GC's fixed $4 on any flop. This is pretty bad for the 2/4 and 3/6 games where a 10% rake often wouldn't hit $4. Not as big an issue at higher limits, but a pain nonetheless.

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yeah, that is the problem, it is outrageous for the lower limit games, but it makes sense for higher limit games. only problem is they dont use that rake for higher games, they use a time charge. so basically bay 101 overcharges differently based on the game, good times...

rj