Should I be walking back to Houston?

dfscott · #1 04-21-2005, 09:40 AM

I feel like I got myself in a pickle on this one. Is the stop-and-go a mistake? I know it was too small -- would it have been better at 200? Much more than that, and I would've had to push, which I wasn't prepared to do.

Finally, am I wrong to expect my K to be good here?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

SB (t1550)
BB (t760)
UTG (t715)
Hero (t775)
UTG+2 (t825)
MP1 (t845)
MP2 (t710)
MP3 (t860)
CO (t770)
Button (t190)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t95, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t160, 6 folds, Hero calls t65.

Flop: (t365) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t150, MP1 calls t150.

Turn: (t665) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t465 (All-in), MP1 calls t465.

Unarmed · #2 04-21-2005, 09:42 AM

Why on earth did you bet the flop?

Scuba Chuck · #3 04-21-2005, 09:59 AM

I don't think a continuation bet (if that what you're attempting) will work once you just call preflop.

In retrospect, I'd bet less preflop, and check the flop. As it is, I think villain has AA or KK here.

citanul · #4 04-21-2005, 10:07 AM

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I don't think a continuation bet (if that what you're attempting) will work once you just call preflop.

In retrospect, I'd bet less preflop, and check the flop. As it is, I think villain has AA or KK here.

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youd really raise to less than 3bb? i hope to god you're not quibbling over the 5 extra chips he tagged on there.

as for me, i'd probably play preflop the same (though the number 95 is not one i would choose for a raise just cuz it's not aesthetic or something), but have to agree that betting that flop is pretty poor. he's the aggressor, and you have ace high. he also sent you a big "i have a big hand" signal, which unless i had good reason not to, i'd be respecting usually. people don't even usually make this raise with anything as small as AK. so yeah, i'd checkfold this flop.

citanul

dfscott · #5 04-21-2005, 10:35 AM

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I don't think a continuation bet (if that what you're attempting) will work once you just call preflop.

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Yes, it was a continuation bet. I see people calling big pre-flop raises early with all kinds of crap in the 22s (i.e., KJ, QJ, etc.), so I thought I might be able to run him off. His call indicated that I wasn't going to be able to and I put him on a pair as well.

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In retrospect, I'd bet less preflop, and check the flop. As it is, I think villain has AA or KK here.

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How would you play this pre-flop?

dfscott · #6 04-21-2005, 10:38 AM

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I don't think a continuation bet (if that what you're attempting) will work once you just call preflop.

In retrospect, I'd bet less preflop, and check the flop. As it is, I think villain has AA or KK here.

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youd really raise to less than 3bb? i hope to god you're not quibbling over the 5 extra chips he tagged on there.

as for me, i'd probably play preflop the same (though the number 95 is not one i would choose for a raise just cuz it's not aesthetic or something), but have to agree that betting that flop is pretty poor. he's the aggressor, and you have ace high. he also sent you a big "i have a big hand" signal, which unless i had good reason not to, i'd be respecting usually. people don't even usually make this raise with anything as small as AK. so yeah, i'd checkfold this flop.

citanul

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I hate that stupid slider -- I should just type my bets. I couldn't get it right and with the other 3 tables beeping at me, I just stuck with 95.

Let's say you do get confused and bet the flop. Do you think villain has AA or KK here enough times that I shouldn't expect my K on the turn to be good?

zipppy · #7 04-21-2005, 10:41 AM

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I don't think a continuation bet (if that what you're attempting) will work once you just call preflop.

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Yes, it was a continuation bet. I see people calling big pre-flop raises early with all kinds of crap in the 22s (i.e., KJ, QJ, etc.), so I thought I might be able to run him off. His call indicated that I wasn't going to be able to and I put him on a pair as well.

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Agreed that people do call with crap preflop; however, he reraised preflop, which is why a check on the flop is usually the right thing to do unless you have a good read that suggests otherwise.

syphlix · #8 04-21-2005, 10:49 AM

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Yes, it was a continuation bet. I see people calling big pre-flop raises early with all kinds of crap in the 22s (i.e., KJ, QJ, etc).

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but he wasn't calling you?... he was raising...

wuwei · #9 04-21-2005, 10:51 AM

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In retrospect, I'd bet less preflop, and check the flop.

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Are you thinking it's level 1? FWIW, my standard pfr in level 2 is at least 100.

Assuming we have no read, or our read says villian isn't retarded, I would just call the preflop raise and check/fold the flop. I put his range of hands somewhere around QQ-AA and AK. The flop didn't help, we have no spades, I'm ready to move onto the next hand.

dfscott · #10 04-21-2005, 10:54 AM

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Yes, it was a continuation bet. I see people calling big pre-flop raises early with all kinds of crap in the 22s (i.e., KJ, QJ, etc).

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but he wasn't calling you?... he was raising...

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Doh! Good point.

I have a bad habit of getting into these testosterone battles early. Although this one worked out (he had the only reasonable hand he could've played this way that I could beat), I'm laying this down next time. I had a feeling that despite the results, I didn't play it correctly and it looks like everyone is confirming that.