Chip Runner Lays Odds

[SNOWBALL138]

Chip runners should be tipped, not fleeced. I know it wasn't intentional, but its pretty likely that this guy got in trouble for being short. His job is hard and mistakes are inevitable. I'm not saying that you are a bad person, but I really think that you are underestimating the repercussions this might have for this guy's life.
And no, I don't pity the commerce. They do very well for themselves, and there are other people in society who deserve our sympathy more than casino owners.

[bernie]

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I just find it hypocritical when anyone who plays poker for a living pretends to be some sort of noble, upstanding citizen who would never engage in any shading dealings. Clearly, you'd have to be lying to yourself to say this.


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Why is it hypocritical? You don't see a difference in the money you earn on a table than the money you get because of a screw up?

I don't engage in any shady dealings. I'd have given the chip back.

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[DanS]

Ok, I can agree to disagree. Becoming more libertarian has improved my approach to poker. We're probably more on the same page than we think, if that even makes any sense.

I really do think that my point that you can show "compassion," "morals," or whatever in a predatory, take no prisoners environment holds water though.

I don't intend to tell you, the OP, or anyone else what to do with their lives. Guess that's the Libertarian in me. At the same time, my opinion on this matter was once more in line with you and the OP. Just thought I'd add my opinion, and sorry if I came across as a preachy ass.

Dan

[TheMetetron]

Oh you can take a "whatever you want to call it approach" in the poker environment.

I think we actually agree 100%, we just each take a different view on what we personally would do.

[bernie]

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And if you think that the people are conciously choosing to play poker as if they aren't totally addicted to gambling, you are again completely fooling yourself.


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So everyone in every cardroom, including yourself if you were in there since your statement is all inclusive, are 'totally' addicted to gambling since you're sitting at a cardtable?

ok.

You may want to pick up a GA pamphlet.

b

[DanS]

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And frankly, what does it matter to your life if the OP got an extra $100 from a chip runner. I hardly think it affects you (and don't anyone dare try to give me some long drawn out BS scenario where the 'now homeless chip runner breaks into your house and kills your family when they try to fight back after he robs the place' type of thing).




I don't go into your church and scream bloody murder that the notion of god is just an elaborate hoax designed to control people and their rather meaningless lives. Don't come into my card room and tell me to give the cashier his money back.

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Last comment. I agree with you that it's not a matter of "Boo hoo, poor chip runner." I think there's a right and a wrong way to do things, and it's not necessarily dictated by any church, society, or whatever. Sometimes it's an individual choice, and irrespective of societal norms and laws, the most important thing is if *you* feel comfortable with you decision. As before, I respect how you aired your opinion on this matter. I just ask you to look at differentiating the two issues (playing poker vs. other things). If you feel that you don't have to giveanybody an inch in either one, that's your opinion, and I can live with that.

Peace,
Dan

[DanS]

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I don't go into your church and scream bloody murder that the notion of god is just an elaborate hoax designed to control people and their rather meaningless lives.

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If I regularly attended a church, it honestly wouldn't bother me if you did, if you were civil and we could have a discourse. Also, I didn't scream bloody murder. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Dammit, I should have read your whole response so I'd only have had to do one reply. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[TheMetetron]

I didn't say everyone.

But, yes, there are quite a few people you are making money off of who are very much addicted to gambling. I don't have an issue with that. If you do, then you likely choose to ignore it, believe it doesn't exist or think I'm just pulling stuff out of my ass.

[bernie]

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And if you think that the people are conciously choosing to play poker as if they aren't totally addicted to gambling, you are again completely fooling yourself.


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I didn't say everyone

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I missed the exclusions.

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But, yes, there are quite a few people you are making money off of who are very much addicted to gambling.

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No kidding. I literally see it every day. So what?

This is a much different issue than what we are talking about. If you can't see the difference, then you're the one with the problem.

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I just find it hypocritical when anyone who plays poker for a living pretends to be some sort of noble, upstanding citizen who would never engage in any shading dealings. Clearly, you'd have to be lying to yourself to say this

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I'm still waiting on how one can't be noble and honorable while still being a poker player.

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[m1illion]

Could I have a description of the transaction? From begining to end, I think there's another answer here.