First Limit Session, I really SUCK

#1 10-22-2005, 04:54 PM

Okay, Im switching to limit from NL, and I've read and understand (I think I do) SSHE. Im playing on the starting hand requirements from the Tight section, and.... well, Im not sure if variance just bitch slapped me, or I really suck.
Take a look.

Okay, this first one is the big one... Im wondering if I could or should have gotten away from it or played it differently?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, Hero calls.

River: (14.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Jc Jd (three of a kind, jacks).
MP2 has Ah As (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins 16.75 BB. 

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, Button calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac Qs (two pair, aces and queens).
Button has Kh Kc (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Button wins 15.75 BB. Game #2860138394 starts.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP2 folds.

River: (6 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Jd (two pair, jacks and twos).
CO has Qs Jc (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: CO wins 8 BB. 

on this hand, Im wondering if they were telegraphing what they had?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB raises, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, SB calls.

River: (9 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Qd Qs (one pair, queens).
Hero has Tc Th (one pair, tens).
MP3 has 8s 8h (one pair, eights).
Outcome: SB wins 12 BB.

#2 10-22-2005, 05:13 PM

This is the most important I have to say: Don't post results! (I haven't looked)

These are my opinoins

Hand 1: Fine. The river is a bit read dependent(bet/call or check/call). If villain is aggressive he might play something like AK like this. There's no way we're getting away from this hand.

Hand 2: What is he 3-betting you preflop with?

Hand 3: Bet the turn and consider your options if someone is raising.

Hand 4: 3-bet preflop. Rest is fine.

#3 10-22-2005, 05:17 PM

Okay cool, I didn't know not to post results, I wont in the future.

Yeah, I was hoping that alot of this was variance, but I had to make sure. Im such a nl player, the three-betting pf on the first hand should say something to me, but Im still thinking "ehh, its only fifty cents more"

well, nothing to do but get back in the saddle.

thanks for the answers.

POKhER · #4 10-22-2005, 05:21 PM

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but Im still thinking "ehh, its only fifty cents more"

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What table you at [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
Your hand reading skilsl might be sweet from NL Then? Isnt it more "Read based before i put my life savings in the middle" lol.

Anyhow yeh you took some "bad beats" on some, and goofed a few streets as the first reply says but its cool.

using a chart? or reading from the book?

#5 10-22-2005, 05:59 PM

yeah, Im a successful nl ring and mtt'er... and I can't read a single thing about these opponents in limit... it's embarassing.

Im using flash cards I made from SSHE starting hands. Im using the tight pages... and 4 tabling is harder here than at nl.

I guess Im just taking my lumps, but it really sucks to learn a new game.

TheKentock · #6 10-22-2005, 06:26 PM

Grunch

Hand 1: I play it the same way. Don't worry about these beats, they happen and you gotta get used to them.

Hand 2: Why check-raise the turn? I go for the bet/call here, and bet/call again on the river if he doesn't raise the turn.

Hand 3: Edit: I actually changed my mind. I was thinking that you had some fold equity on the river here by betting, but I actually don't think that is true. He'll call down with a bunch of stuff here, plenty of which beats you. I think check/calling is better here.

Hand 4: NH

Hope you enjoy limit as much as I do, and like they said, don't post results.

#7 10-22-2005, 07:21 PM

Hey, welcome!

Hand 1: Yeah, by the turn cap it's likely he has AA, but nothing wrong with your betting here, IMO. You absolutely can't lay it down, because to profit on the river call all you need is a 1-in-15 chance of being ahead, and you're going to win more often than that (dependent on how tight/aggressive villain is).

Hand 2: With that PF 3-bet, button could have a whole range of hands that beat your two pair, and by the turn a possible flush as well. After a flop c/r, a turn c/r isn't very valuable: if he's ahead he's going to 3-bet you (and cost you money), if he's behind he's going to check behind (and cost you money). Sure let you know where you stood, though, didn't it? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Hand 3: Again, this is kind of read-dependent, but I'd say CO liked that Q. I'd bet the turn anyway (3-handed, there's less of a chance that someone had a queen). If he raises, call. then c/c the river.

Hand 4: I know reraising TT is scary, but it accomplishes a few things: 1) knocks out the kind of hands that would beat you by pairing their J, 2) gives you a pot worth playing for, and 3) lets you know where your opponent stands. As it stood, from the flop on you were right to bet.

<looks at result> See how your opponent in hand 4 played those queens? Never do that.

All in all, not much wrong here. Get reads; supress the urge to c/r too much. And stay away from my tables!

Eeegah · #8 10-22-2005, 07:28 PM

I cap Hand 1 preflop, but like it from there. If you didn't have a set already I'd check/call or even check/fold that turn given a read--if he just 3-bets JJ-AA and AK/AQs (which is pretty standard) then you're sunk.

Hand 2: I'm not sure what the double check/raise is about--I think I just bet out the turn as it didn't hellp him any. (edit: didn't see that he 3-bet your preflop. Ugh, I think bet/fold on the turn isn't a bad line, since if he raises you know he could beat anything you have. At least on the flop he could be autobetting the flop with jacks.)

Hand 3: Bet out. If he raises call down since you have outs, but you can't let a single overcard scare you.

Hand 4: You probably should 3-bet this preflop since you have position on the raiser, but I don't hate a call. Other than that there's no other way to play this--villain saved you money.

Eeegah · #9 10-22-2005, 07:34 PM

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Im using flash cards I made from SSHE starting hands. Im using the tight pages... and 4 tabling is harder here than at nl.

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If you're just starting to learn how to play limit, why are you 4-tabling?

Also, rather than flash cards for now, here is a tight chart I made. I have a PDF version here if you want to scale it to 1600x1200.

POKhER · #10 10-22-2005, 07:45 PM

Wohhhh

cut it to one table, then 2 tables max... for now.

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...L1T7NT1ILF76WZ use the tight chart, Its sexy.