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View Poll Results: Which choice describes you?
Right handed, right eyed 8 50.00%
Right handed, left eyed 5 31.25%
right handed, no dominant eye 0 0%
Left handed, left eyed 1 6.25%
Left handed, right eyed 1 6.25%
Left handed, no dominant eye 0 0%
Switch hitter, right eyed 1 6.25%
Switch hitter, left eyed 0 0%
Switch hitter, no dominant eye 0 0%
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Old 10-23-2005, 10:17 PM
Mariogs379 Mariogs379 is offline
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Default rough KK hand, whats the best line

jetset .50/1 limit holdem 7-handed
im UTG+1 with KK
i raise
UTG+3 3-bets
sb calls
I cap
all call
(total of four to the flop)
flop: A 10 3
sb checks i bet UTG + 3 raises fold fold and i fold
is there a better way to play it on the flop?
what do you put the raising villain on?
AK?
-Mario
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Old 10-23-2005, 10:38 PM
bozlax bozlax is offline
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Default Re: rough KK hand, whats the best line

First: There's SB, you in UTG+1 and UTG+3...who's the fourth? Jetset doesn't make you play against a ghost, does it? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Second: Ok, don't make this a poll. This is a stupid poll. Since you folded, I think he had AAT in his hand, for the flopped boat. Granted, it means he had 3 cards in his hand, but we all know that Internet poker is rigged.

Third: Look around and see if you can't find one of the thousands of other "pocket-KK/QQ/JJ when an ace flops" hands. That's a good starting place.

Finally: In a nutshell, in the absence of a read you check/call down. The pot's big, you're out of position, and you have no way to put the guy on a hand that beats you with sufficient certainty to fold. The end.
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Old 10-23-2005, 10:40 PM
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Default Re: rough KK hand, whats the best line

What he said (including the AAT starting hand).
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Old 10-24-2005, 05:06 AM
yellowjack yellowjack is offline
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Default Re: rough KK hand, whats the best line

Betting out is counterproductive. You want to check-call so you lose the minimum when he has Ax or TT, but win the max when he has QQ, JJ, etc. By betting on that flop you might send a smaller pair packing which is not what you want to do. You want a showdown, and to have the villain be betting a large enough range of hands so there's some chance you're not drawing slim.

If there's a bet and a raise from anyone it's an easy fold postflop.
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Old 10-24-2005, 05:09 AM
lautzutao lautzutao is offline
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Default Re: rough KK hand, whats the best line

I have this bookmarked for the next time you start a "tricky" QQ KK hand. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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