State sponsored suicide bombings by children

[nicky g]

Are these governement-run schools? It does not mention anything about killing tresspassing infidels. As I said previously, there are definitely schools teaching abhorrent things in Saudi Arabia, and I was surprised you couldn't find any references to them. Saudi Arabia is not representative of the Arab world as a whole.

[nicky g]

I hope this isn't aimed at me as I read all of Bruce's links.

"School Trains Suicide Bombers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1446003.stm "

This is an Islamic Jihad training camp, not an Arab governement-run school.

"BBC

Schooling for Holy Warriors-Pakistan

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/369484.stm "

THis is an "Islamic school", not a
state-school - the article makes the distinction celar. FUrthermore, it is in Pakistan, not an Arab country. Finally, the implication is these boys are being trained to fight in Kashmir, which is a territorial dispute with India, and not to kill Western infidels.

"ADL

PA TV Mosque Sermon Praises Suicide Attacks and Calls For End Of Israel, U.S. and U.K., quoted text

http://www.adl.org/israel/mosque_sermon2.asp "

Bruce has already posted about this, and I've not disputed it. It has nothing to do with governement-run Arab schools.



"TIME magazine

Saudi Schools, Imams and U.S. Relations (4 pages)

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,331980-
1,00.html "

What are you referring to in this?

[MMMMMM]

nicky, I'm just providing general related articles showing widespread Arab sentiment and indoctrination to hatred of the West and jihadism.

I'm not providing these links specifically and only regarding the PA and school texts, although there are shocking quotes from PA textbooks I can provide as well, but the sources aren't BBC, for instance.

I think Bruce's argument is more general than a narrow focus on PA school indoctrination, though this thread he started may be more specific. I'll dig up the SPECIFIC TEXBOOK QUOTES shortly.

[nicky g]

"nicky, I'm just providing general related articles showing widespread Arab sentiment and indoctrination to hatred of the West and jihadism. "

What you've demonstrated, is militant Palestinan hate for Israel, Pakistani (non-Arab) indoctrination for the Kashmir conflict, and the existence of fundamentalist religious schools in Saudi Arabia. Thank you for the links.

[Cyrus]

You post up links to articles by respectable sources, eg BBC, that report how the fanatical wing of the Arab terrorists operates and how set is their mindset. Which has never been disputed by anyone here, as far as I recall.

Yet you and folks like CALL have the temerity to dispute the veracity of Israeli sources that are provided by Alger -- only because they quote stats and data about the Palestinians' terrible plight and the Zionists' atrocious acts.

I see.

One category of sources is good and the other category is bad. How obvious.

[MMMMMM]

Irrelevant Cyrus, you are out of context. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[BruceZ]

Here's a link to Arafat.

Arafat approval of suicide bombers

Here's the tie-in to Arafat:

"It is not known if Yasser Arafat has approved the use of children and young women posing as mothers.

But he has already endorsed the two single women who blew themselves up.

Both came from Ramallah, where Arafat has his headquarters and is at the core of Islamic extremism."

Also, see my quote from the link M posted. So now you have several examples of schools teaching destruction of Israel, and Arafat approval of suicide bombers. Have fun, and don't give me some crap about these all being religous schools, that's really weak. The state controls them, and religion and the state are one. So you go and believe what you want to believe. Ultimately you will anyway. I'm done.

[nicky g]

What has Aarfat endorsiing suicide bombers got to do with Arabic state schools teaching children to kill Western infidels?

"now you have several examples of schools teaching destruction of Israel"

Your remark was about the West and "infidels", not Israel. It is hardly a secret that large sections of the Arab word are anti-Israel; a good deal of arabic states are officially at war with it. I have one example of a Saudi textbook promoting the "defeat" of the Israel and its allies (along with an example of a training camp for Kashmir guerillas, an example of an Islamic Jihad indoctrination camp, and an example of an anti-Israel rant by a Palestinian imam). This does not remotely justify your sweeping statement about most Arabic government run-schools encouraging children to kill "tresspassing infidels."

[adios]

"Your remark was about the West and "infidels", not Israel. It is hardly a secret that large sections of the Arab word are anti-Israel; a good deal of arabic states are officially at war with it."

And they readily make the distinction that the No. 1 Israel ally isn't really one of their enemies? C'mon [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

[Chris Alger]

"He [Arafat] has endorsed to two single women who blew themselves up." Really? What words of "endorsement" did Arafat actually use and why doesn't your source cite them?

Because the Arafat's "endorsement" is propaganda spin (it probably relates to an alleged Fatah demonstration by Palestinian girls). Here's how Arafat actually "endorses" suicide bombing:

"No degree of oppression and no level of desperation can ever justify the killing of innocent civilians. I condemn terrorism. I condemn the killing of innocent civilians, whether they are Israeli, American or Palestinian."

Yasser Arafat, NY Times, 2/3/2