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Old 12-14-2005, 09:45 PM
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Default 25NL KK running into a rough flop

no reads/stats except villian likes calling down draws until the river

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Hero ($51.88)
Button ($0)
SB ($36.30)
BB ($50.14)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB (poster) calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $15</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($33) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB calls $20.30 (All-In), Hero calls $20.30.

River: ($73.60) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $73.60

stupid play?

felt like i shouldve folded after the flop raise. should i have pushed since he'd only have 20 or so behind after the call?

put villain on an overpair.
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: 25NL KK running into a rough flop

was it tens?
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:48 PM
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Default Re: 25NL KK running into a rough flop

Dude fold that flop in a heartbeat.
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:50 PM
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Default Re: 25NL KK running into a rough flop

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Dude fold that flop in a heartbeat.

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that's exactly what instinct told me to do

.edit guess what i didnt listen to?
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:53 PM
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Default Re: 25NL KK running into a rough flop

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put villain on an overpair.

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Why, nothing about villain's line is indicative of an overpair. I think he has two pair, flopped a str8, maybe even a set. Villains dont get aggro here on flops with just 1010. Hes got you beat on the flop.
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:56 PM
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Default Re: 25NL KK running into a rough flop

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put villain on an overpair.

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Why, nothing about villain's line is indicative of an overpair. I think he has two pair, flopped a str8, maybe even a set. Villains dont get aggro here on flops with just 1010. Hes got you beat on the flop.

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tryin to rationalize a bad play =\
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:57 PM
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Default Re: 25NL KK running into a rough flop

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Villains dont get aggro here on flops with just 1010.

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i don't know about this particular villain, but tons of NL 25 villains--if they even deserve enough dignity to be considered 'villains' and not 'scrubs'--pound their tens on this flop. it's not uncommon to see them do the same thing with 99 on a 78T flop. if you haven't seen that, i'd be surprised.

that said, fold the flop to this bitch.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:11 PM
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Default Re: 25NL KK running into a rough flop

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Hero ($51.88)
Button ($0)
SB ($36.30)
BB ($50.14)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB (poster) calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $15</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($33) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB calls $20.30 (All-In), Hero calls $20.30.

River: ($73.60) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $73.60

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Jd Td (straight, jack high).
Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
Button has (one pair, kings).
Outcome: SB wins $73.60. </font>

let this post teach people not to overvalue your monster PPs.
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: 25NL KK running into a rough flop

Id think much more that 1010 would get passive here.
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: 25NL KK running into a rough flop

well.. let's just say i played much better after this hand and had a good session
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