Conditional Suffrage?

Warik · #1 12-31-2005, 05:12 AM

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Keep reading your dictionary. Definition number 2:

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2 : a grave offense especially against morality

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Nothing to do with legality.

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We are talking about law and therefore must use the LEGAL definition of crime. A crime is an illegal act. Get over it.

Surely you have something more compelling than "boo hoo the 5th definition of the 3rd synonym in this obscure dictionary I found says I'm right!!!"

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Possession of nuclear weapons *is* criminal.

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So is possession of drugs.

I win.

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Weapons of mass destruction cannot be directed at individual aggressors, and therefore are not legitimate "arms".

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Irrelevant. I only plan to use it for decoration. That actually makes it safer than drugs.

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Or a 19 year-old kid buying some grenades and an assault rifle from some dude in a dark alley.

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I don't have any problem with this.

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i.e., you have no problem with people breaking 4 of 5 laws simultaneously.... well... at least that's out in the open now.

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So your definition of "competent" is what, "people that agree with me"?

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No.

My definition of "competent" is "people who have the ability to look at both sides of the major issues and make an informed decision about their candidate" as opposed to "everyone I know says to vote for <X>, so I'm going to vote for <X>" or "<X> says abortion is OK and we need to leave welfare alone, and since I already have 3 kids from 3 different fathers, none of whom I'm still with, and living off welfare, I'm going to selfishly vote for this guy.... even though I have not bothered to find out what the hell else he stands for which might not at all be good for this country."

If my candidate is the right candidate and more voters know what's going on, then more people will vote for him. Right now it's just a matter of who can pander to more demographics.... i.e., Republicans pandering to the wealthy and the religious + Democrats pandering to minorities and people looking for free rides (disclaimer: who are not necessarily one in the same, but I'll be awaiting your accusations of racism anyway).

Cyrus · #2 12-31-2005, 06:19 AM

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[Here's] Webster: an act or the commission of an act that is forbidden or the omission of a duty that is commanded by a public law and that makes the offender liable to punishment by that law.

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Surely you have something more compelling than "boo hoo the 5th definition of the 3rd synonym in this obscure dictionary I found says I'm right!!!" Get over it.

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Both quotes are from the same poster.

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Warik · #3 12-31-2005, 12:38 PM

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[Here's] Webster: an act or the commission of an act that is forbidden or the omission of a duty that is commanded by a public law and that makes the offender liable to punishment by that law.

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Surely you have something more compelling than "boo hoo the 5th definition of the 3rd synonym in this obscure dictionary I found says I'm right!!!" Get over it.

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Both quotes are from the same poster.

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Oh please.

He said that "crimes" and "illegal acts" were not the same thing. I looked up the definition of "crime" and the first definition clearly said that a crime was an illegal act.

He retorts by saying "oh, look at the OTHER definition - it mentions morality! That means illegal acts are not crimes!"

I'm clearly right here. Stop grasping at straws.

Borodog · #4 12-31-2005, 01:07 PM

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Oh please.

He said that "crimes" and "illegal acts" were not the same thing. I looked up the definition of "crime" and the first definition clearly said that a crime was an illegal act.

He retorts by saying "oh, look at the OTHER definition - it mentions morality! That means illegal acts are not crimes!"

I'm clearly right here. Stop grasping at straws.

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One of you is using a definition of "crime" and "criminal" that makes Jews hiding from Nazis criminals and the Nazis gassing them to death not criminals, and the other is not.

I know which definition I prefer.

Warik · #5 12-31-2005, 01:22 PM

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One of you is using a definition of "crime" and "criminal" that makes Jews hiding from Nazis criminals and the Nazis gassing them to death not criminals, and the other is not.

I know which definition I prefer.

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So a thread about imposing a realistic, fair system to ensure that most people who are incompetent to vote for a candidate for public office are eliminated, gets hijacked into a "drugs should be legal" thread, turns into a nit-picking of words, and now we have someone whining about Nazis and changing the definitions of words to whatever is most convenient for him.

Wow.

Thread: RIP

Borodog · #6 12-31-2005, 01:37 PM

Are you really that bad at following your own thread?

Oh, and by the way, this is priceless:

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So a thread about imposing a realistic, fair system to ensure that most people who are incompetent to vote . . . are eliminated . . .

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Warik · #7 12-31-2005, 02:06 PM

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Oh, and by the way, this is priceless:

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So a thread about imposing a realistic, fair system to ensure that most people who are incompetent to vote . . . are eliminated . . .

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Yes, since I was obviously talking about killing them en masse.

tylerdurden · #8 12-31-2005, 06:30 PM

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He said that "crimes" and "illegal acts" were not the same thing. I looked up the definition of "crime" and the first definition clearly said that a crime was an illegal act.

He retorts by saying "oh, look at the OTHER definition - it mentions morality! That means illegal acts are not crimes!"

I'm clearly right here. Stop grasping at straws.

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Yes, because the only "correct" definition of a word is the one that fits your personal desire.

Do you believe that legislators, no matter how they come into power, are infallible?

Warik · #9 12-31-2005, 08:24 PM

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Yes, because the only "correct" definition of a word is the one that fits your personal desire.

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Not all things that are crimes should be crimes; however, by definition, they are.

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Do you believe that legislators, no matter how they come into power, are infallible?

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No. What's that got to do with the basic, most commonly used definition of a word?

tylerdurden · #10 12-31-2005, 09:11 PM

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Yes, because the only "correct" definition of a word is the one that fits your personal desire.

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Not all things that are crimes should be crimes; however, by definition, they are.

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Do you believe that legislators, no matter how they come into power, are infallible?

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No. What's that got to do with the basic, most commonly used definition of a word?

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Because you're saying something is a crime if and only if it's illegal, and something is illegal if and only if it's a crime. That isomorphism would require legislation that is *always* "correct".