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I've only played about an orbit with villain. So far, he seems like a super passive calling station. Imagine the most passive guy you have ever seen, then cut his agression in half. He even failed to raise the river with the nuts once because I don't think he realized he had it.
Villian has also cold called 2 on the flop and called down with K high before, so when I first value bet the river I was expecting to get called with some crap hand.... Party Poker (8 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, rest fold. Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls. Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO folds. River: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero bets, UTG+1 raises!!!, Hero folds. |
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It wasn't a very impressive full house anyway.
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Why bet the river? If he calls, you're beat. If you check, although I know you said he was passive, he might bluff.
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Why bet the river? If he calls, you're beat. If you check, although I know you said he was passive, he might bluff. [/ QUOTE ] Did you read my read? He could easily call with an A, K, or even a Q here. Easy value bet against this opp, imo. |
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It wasn't a very impressive full house anyway. [/ QUOTE ] It was until the river [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] There's no chance a calling station is making a move w/ A high, is there? |
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There's no chance a calling station is making a move w/ A high, is there? [/ QUOTE ] A single orbit is fairly quick to get a complete read on a person. You saying this leads me to believe there were still some unknowns. I just think you're trying to squeeze too much value out of the river bet hoping he'll call with nothing. |
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I just think you're trying to squeeze too much value out of the river bet hoping he'll call with nothing. [/ QUOTE ] Dude, I saw him cold call with K6s preflop, then call a limp reraise, then cold call on something like an A29 rainbow flop and call down the limp-reraiser, even calling a bet on the river with his King high.... This guy will call with worse hands on the river. This guy was hemoraging chips and was busted in about 5 orbits. |
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Dude, I saw him cold call etc. etc. [/ QUOTE ] Next time, just post with the title 'Check out this awesome laydown/bad beat' instead of pretending to ask for advice. |
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[ QUOTE ] Dude, I saw him cold call etc. etc. [/ QUOTE ] Next time, just post with the title 'Check out this awesome laydown/bad beat' instead of pretending to ask for advice. [/ QUOTE ] heh.. actually, while I was proud of the laydown, I'm serious about wondering if a player this bad could have decided to randomly raise. You know those players that raise when it is clear that everyone is playing the board in the weird hope that someone will fold. I started wondering if maybe this was one of those occasions. I think this fold is probably correct, but am seriously asking if someone this bad could have randomly raised enough for me to have called. As for the part you quoted, it was the discussion about the merits of value betting the river, which seemed contraversial at least to one poster. I still believe that against this opp, value betting is right. |
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Actually I think this looks very strange. From your description, he probably wouldn't raise a Ten here (although that is probably the most likely still). And no matter how passive he is, I think you would've heard from a Jack prior to the river.
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